From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 456D2208AC5; Tue, 8 May 2012 22:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wejx9 with SMTP id x9so8413315wej.16 for ; Tue, 08 May 2012 22:40:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TzgyXGXGTeT0Av8Vv+jge7u8iU6B0aldZZxhFF1KEXs=; b=wWSBpioEQvmVTVtklMVOMMdaFCiRV+KtxtnTOBACFndfmZYLJrskBAH1VhVEhAMzvb UBxrmE+8/RToKlRiJbSfXu731/k75Rl0p8cQKLJUiyy+dit7rsgIJAvOcn76fKeQYzwd Qa0vTWZzGYs1nLUgNHvZsuAI4I4b7VPM5mzpzee2n3CBvFplBeAEBF521WhUM8lgMYSw amrhcNeyIh7UdX61G1g0SkaFFF1pV4LkRZTTsp7j5Bes6jh3ldPAmJTjA+HLzRJbVUgl R19qbtzMnmp+azCbWGKKw0+k2fLOeRSDkZdEtTkrYi39QmrqqLLGdxum4kCbR7Jekh+X TWqA== Received: by 10.180.88.67 with SMTP id be3mr50791633wib.20.1336542021959; Tue, 08 May 2012 22:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.30.42.18] (122.237.66.86.rev.sfr.net. [86.66.237.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k6sm34156757wiy.7.2012.05.08.22.40.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 May 2012 22:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Dumazet To: Simon Barber In-Reply-To: <4FA9FDC0.9010600@superduper.net> References: <4FA9FDC0.9010600@superduper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 07:40:18 +0200 Message-ID: <1336542018.3752.3235.camel@edumazet-glaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat Subject: Re: [Codel] [Bloat] The challenge X-BeenThere: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: CoDel AQM discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 05:40:24 -0000 On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 22:16 -0700, Simon Barber wrote: > One question now remains - will codel AQM be sufficient on it's own in > getting delays down to levels that users are happy with for the common > latency sensitive interactive traffic - VoIP, gaming and Skype for > example - or are the further reductions that can be had with traffic > classification and smart queuing algorithms necessary? The nicest part > about codel on it's own is that it works on opaque packets - it will > handle VPNs and traffic within them nicely. It gets away from all the > complexity required to classify traffic in a world where traffic is > often trying to hide. It all depends on the requirements you have. To me, CoDel is a RED replacement, because it provides something easier to deploy (no knobs). So it wont solve by itself cases where you want something that could not be done by a single RED queue. I like to see Codel as a basic unit, to replace RED (or pfifo if some fools still use this for whatever reasons) in a tree involving classifiers and FQ.