From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com (mail-bk0-f43.google.com [209.85.214.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF5D0201251 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bkty5 with SMTP id y5so6910044bkt.16 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:45:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/ADKfgqImDsa2UEPZpwQPLuU5Q2mb34nAiSQYlsmmSM=; b=bDQMZ9j/XgVWot1yl5RifbFuR3RwIXCITNmI/N3mtM0R9kGVeWHRtKN/nWFTMtj3Ii birVJAggue/ZNktmHdSHosUWJvz1xSbL6mGUYJ6Ky4XnOpp8Jfv5FiqLd1YrV9tl2Dy5 Hi2kc2b88Qzjqedp2nIqinH1Ppw3VfZ1iDw9hgmAV0RSrwfLit6rtKfMjIwRJnuIIcGu EX80YJ2tTEFRbBB31e65edZqPo/QaUGQTx/I2VlrsNKVT95AIDIaSwTa0bboSc72l1CL L37JECVMx8f3z77A7BUqCkSrHdr6rE3XdDvLMtXu7nwQ/LTkcqUKDoGbWK+O8mObuz5x EVwQ== Received: by 10.204.9.199 with SMTP id m7mr4168470bkm.66.1340639156656; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.28.89.78] ([74.125.122.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gm18sm47111813bkc.7.2012.06.25.08.45.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:45:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Dumazet To: Dave Taht In-Reply-To: References: <1340600422-1806-1-git-send-email-dave.taht@bufferbloat.net> <1340600422-1806-2-git-send-email-dave.taht@bufferbloat.net> <1340601724.23933.16.camel@edumazet-glaptop> <1340637617.10893.56.camel@edumazet-glaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:45:51 +0200 Message-ID: <1340639151.10893.79.camel@edumazet-glaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, Dave =?ISO-8859-1?Q?T=E4ht?= Subject: Re: [Codel] [RFCv2 PATCH] codel: add ecn_target for when to drop rather than mark ecn packets X-BeenThere: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: CoDel AQM discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:45:59 -0000 On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 08:30 -0700, Dave Taht wrote: > It was the way I was leaning until I observed me dropping ecn enabled > mosh, ssh, and babel packets , which tend to be small, so I started > thinking in terms of dropping ecn packets on a graduated packet size > scale after exceeding target. ESPECIALLY in case of overload you want > command and control packets to get through. > Don't try to add in CoDel things that should be done at another layer. There is no classification in CoDel : Its a FIFO. Only way is to prioritize control packets if you need to, and use several queues. I dont understand... Are you saying that you feel the need to drop packets instead of marking them in a 'good citizen world' (none of your flow pretends to use ECN to avoid drops) ?