From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: "Valdis Klētnieks" <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu>
Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>,
Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Leonard Kleinrock <lk@cs.ucla.edu>,
Bob McMahon <bob.mcmahon@broadcom.com>,
"David P. Reed" <dpreed@deepplum.com>,
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net, codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
cerowrt-devel <cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Subject: Re: [Codel] [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 21:09:56 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2760o61s-408q-4613-r840-3sq96s8q1s1@ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <257851.1632110422@turing-police>
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2021, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 18:21:56 -0700, Dave Taht said:
>> what actually happens during a web page load,
>
> I'm pretty sure that nobody actually understands that anymore, in any
> more than handwaving levels.
This is my favorite interview question, it's amazing and saddning at the answers
that I get, even from supposedly senior security and networking people.
David Lang
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2021-07-01 0:12 [Codel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board Dave Taht
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2021-07-02 17:07 ` [Codel] [Cerowrt-devel] " Dave Taht
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2021-07-06 13:46 ` [Codel] [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] " Ben Greear
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2021-07-06 21:24 ` Ben Greear
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2021-07-07 13:34 ` Ben Greear
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2021-07-09 10:05 ` [Codel] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Luca Muscariello
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2021-08-02 23:16 ` [Codel] [Cake] " David Lang
2021-08-02 23:55 ` Ben Greear
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2021-08-03 3:12 ` David Lang
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2021-08-03 4:30 ` David Lang
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2021-08-03 4:44 ` David Lang
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2021-08-10 20:44 ` [Codel] [Starlink] Anhyone have a spare couple a hundred million ... Elon may need to start a go-fund-me page! David Lang
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2021-08-03 3:06 ` [Codel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board David Lang
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2021-08-08 18:36 ` [Codel] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cake] " Aaron Wood
2021-08-08 18:48 ` [Codel] [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
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[not found] ` <BCD9F979-341F-4292-9D11-FAE91FC3967E@akamai.com>
2021-07-09 23:37 ` [Codel] [Bloat] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
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2021-07-09 23:56 ` Jonathan Morton
2021-07-17 23:56 ` [Codel] [Make-wifi-fast] " Aaron Wood
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2021-07-12 19:07 ` [Codel] " Ben Greear
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2021-07-12 20:32 ` Ben Greear
2021-07-12 20:36 ` [Codel] [Cake] " David Lang
2021-07-17 23:29 ` [Codel] " Aaron Wood
2021-07-12 21:54 ` [Codel] [Make-wifi-fast] " Jonathan Morton
2021-09-20 1:21 ` [Codel] " Dave Taht
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2021-09-20 4:09 ` David Lang [this message]
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2021-10-26 4:24 ` [Codel] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] TCP_NOTSENT_LOWAT applied to e2e TCP msg latency Eric Dumazet
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2021-10-27 14:29 ` [Codel] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
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