From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.213.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1C6420191C for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yenq11 with SMTP id q11so6371943yen.16 for ; Mon, 07 May 2012 11:32:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MWU9RFJHaE9e9paeya43zy6dwQsIg+5FwSnR0CsE4PU=; b=aoQ7DlQ20niGflNVB9ciSEcutcEiT7dvMP6NVYvlj0qPRCxZtlhmt7NKWJTeBZ0fcp OB7fe0jpUpeUquvzWUqW+vS9sDy+entLiaXmZhbSXQSahTTg1KmQ/hl93le68nxnGxsT Fm041G+s/Vd+AsNtuH6b1j9r1oRK7mkdo+OzlWWZg+GK12dRov3Jher2q74mO5ev6yxT YSQuUmhIQeBsEJ0Yg5qa/jqk1S7aRttithj9ZZiMjxC5CM4NvbK/yR2K30XMJO+RcOyT F0JjC8z3We2CI4D+lU7W5/drwJ1dk+Y5qJJpGqQur5S9pBuiBw6CTE2YGGObRMthJQ20 hqoA== Received: by 10.236.190.168 with SMTP id e28mr4276838yhn.57.1336415564373; Mon, 07 May 2012 11:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.81] (c-50-138-162-108.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [50.138.162.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h3sm1974788anm.20.2012.05.07.11.32.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 May 2012 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <4FA81549.5060609@freedesktop.org> Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 14:32:41 -0400 From: Jim Gettys Organization: Bell Labs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Taht References: <1336246349-20228-1-git-send-email-dave.taht@bufferbloat.net> <4FA7FBC7.2040501@hp.com> <1336410626.3752.2329.camel@edumazet-glaptop> <4FA805F9.20004@hp.com> <1336412079.3752.2333.camel@edumazet-glaptop> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Eric Dumazet , codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, Dave Taht Subject: Re: [Codel] [PATCH 1/2] codel: Controlled Delay AQM X-BeenThere: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: CoDel AQM discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 18:32:46 -0000 On 05/07/2012 01:52 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > ecn: > > ecn was not in the paper (and it's working well) and I'd like to live > in a world where ecn was the default. I think. Others disagree. > > so perhaps ecn and noecn? And ecn be the default (after some serious testing?) > I think noecn *must* be the default at the moment. There is still too much brokenness out there (though it is improving); Steve Bauer can enlighten us how much. - Jim