From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f171.google.com (mail-qc0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00BA021F091; Thu, 10 May 2012 05:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qcsp15 with SMTP id p15so1901988qcs.16 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 05:56:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JbPb0omfQh9qWpLU7r1qJhu93SBlLpjVrjbM4VybRfw=; b=hig/md/P9Dg9eE2OHgIJCz2ldeIhHux9geqUnh9Kvm2X3MurR5wOzEU8myMm03/skt yXlI7pCsML6NLaV7ZkZcuG4lVC5pIz8dYvthAQwxmtziFimqgQ1VJ9PzqiWRkTXh23YO DvEppDYCuSfc8a5N66KOGx7OYqWU1KWzkHtA9+yaTK3DFvM3z+Stsk+DgXiX91ps7JXn Jk/YtEv0t+9peFOCTttYkn012c7+Rp75u2DUoCQNK4Tk+GR8hI8n4iu52n1+sfin6HNz havkXFtpdUYzOuyBMz9UtGAQXzplEcDNRkNpaXmby/xrYS1lbksGue1xXotDozUJEmvJ XvVg== Received: by 10.224.105.202 with SMTP id u10mr11479998qao.54.1336654583726; Thu, 10 May 2012 05:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.81] (c-50-138-160-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. [50.138.160.40]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s20sm16271310qap.16.2012.05.10.05.56.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 May 2012 05:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <4FABBAF3.4010507@freedesktop.org> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 08:56:19 -0400 From: Jim Gettys Organization: Bell Labs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Taht References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat Subject: Re: [Codel] more press... X-BeenThere: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: CoDel AQM discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:56:25 -0000 On 05/10/2012 01:43 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > There was also discussion on slashdot, but I shudder at the thought of > suggesting that anyone else here wade through it. > > Brahm Cohen went off on RED, without reading the codel paper... > > http://bramcohen.com/2012/05/07/tcp-sucks Bram's article came out the day before the CoDel announcement. So no, he had had no opportunity to read the paper. I noticed it since the traffic to my blog went up a day before I expected it to. I guess I'll have to do a blog entry to again remind people (and Bram) that BitTorrent was not (and is not) the villain in the whole network neutrality mess. I first did a blog entry about that late in 2010, but that was before most people knew about bufferbloat. I wrote it when I did to help Vint out, who was trying to inject some sanity into discussions elsewhere; but bufferbloat really took off in a big way in a posting that occurred a month or so later. - Jim