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From: Kathleen Nichols <nichols@pollere.com>
To: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Codel] [RFC PATCH] codel: ecn mark at target
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 14:53:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <501D99C4.20902@pollere.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1344062738.9299.1453.camel@edumazet-glaptop>


Yes, why would a single delay of more than target be considered
as a reason to take action? I thought Van did a very nice job of
explaining this last Monday.

On 8/3/12 11:45 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 19:44 -0700, Dave Täht wrote:
>> From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@bufferbloat.net>
>>
>> The consensus at ietf was that ecn marking should start at
>> target, and then the results fed into the codel drop scheduler.
>>
>> While I agree with the latter, I feel that waiting an interval
>> before starting to mark will be more in-tune with the concept
>> of a sojourn time, and lead to better utilization.
>>
>> As I am outnumbered and outgunned, do it at target.
> 
> Well, thats a huge way to favor non ECN flows against ECN flows.
> 
> Marking _all_ ECN enabled packets just because last packet sent had a
> sojourn time above target is going to throttle ECN flows and let non ECN
> flows going full speed and take whole bandwidth.
> 
> Doing so is a nice way to keep users switching to ECN one day.
> 
> IETF could just say : ECN is doomed, forget about it, dont even try. 
> 
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-04 21:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-04  2:44 Dave Täht
2012-08-04  6:45 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-08-04 21:53   ` Kathleen Nichols [this message]
2012-08-05  3:06     ` Andrew McGregor
2012-08-05  5:30       ` Eric Dumazet
2012-08-05 16:53         ` Andrew McGregor
2012-08-05 16:58           ` Kathleen Nichols
2012-08-05 17:14             ` Andrew McGregor
2012-08-05 17:15           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-08-05 16:54         ` Richard Scheffenegger
2012-08-05 17:25           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-08-05 17:35             ` Eric Dumazet
2012-08-05 18:14               ` Yuchung Cheng
2012-08-05 18:40                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-08-05 19:49                   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-08-06 16:22                   ` Richard Scheffenegger
2012-08-06 16:46                     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-08-06 17:50                       ` Dave Taht
2012-08-06 19:09                         ` Andrew McGregor
2012-08-06 20:01                           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-08-10 17:48                             ` Dave Taht
2012-08-04  7:00 ` Roger Jørgensen
2012-08-04 13:38   ` Richard Scheffenegger
2012-08-04 17:21     ` Eric Dumazet

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