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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Codel] hardware multiqueue in fq_codel?
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:19:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw7GD_D0AHo-GcfDqup8a9WsT0rpT24U0Qu7a7SAoYT-WQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1373896674.10804.73.camel@edumazet-glaptop>

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 15:40 +0200, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
>
>> Then they should also be smart enough to change their default fq_codel
>> qdisc, to be a prio band based qdisc... shouldn't they ;-)
>>
>
>
> Some companies do this classification at the edge of their network, so
> that they do not have to worry for each machine of their fleet.
>
> Forcing them to learn how to 'fix' things once a new linux version is
> installed would be quite lame. I wont be the guy responsible for this.
>
> Listen, there is no point trying to tell me how fq_codel is better than
> pfifo_fast. Is an apple better than an orange ?

Is a tesla better than a oil tanker? :)

> Instead, we only have to create a clear path.

+10!

> 1) Allow the default qdisc to be specified/chosen in Kconfig, a bit
>   like tcp congestion module (cubic is the default)

Concur. Presently that would require exposing some structures
that are private (the qdisc *ops) to this, tho... (?)

> 2) Allow the default qdisc to be selected by a /proc/sys entry, like TCP
> congestion module.

Concur.

Not clear where would be a good place there. /proc/sys/core? I am not fond
of all the tcp related stuff that ended up in ipv4...

I don't see the need for the equivalent of a tcp_allowed_congestion_control,
just a qdisc_default or default_qdisc.

> 3) Define the PRIO + codel/band0 + fq_codel/band1 + codel/band2 as a new
> standalone qdisc

Stressing "a". Concur.

> 4) Eventually switch the default Kconfig from pfifo_fast to this beast.

After tons more testing on ever wider deployments. Sure.

There's a net-next window opening up now...



-- 
Dave Täht

Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-15 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-11 17:09 Dave Taht
2013-07-11 17:44 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-07-11 18:06   ` Dave Taht
2013-07-11 18:54     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-07-11 21:18       ` Dave Taht
2013-07-12  0:06         ` Eric Dumazet
2013-07-12  0:48           ` Dave Taht
2013-07-12  9:34         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-07-12 15:13           ` Eric Dumazet
2013-07-12 16:36             ` Sebastian Moeller
2013-07-12 16:54               ` Eric Dumazet
2013-07-12 17:00                 ` Dave Taht
2013-07-15 13:40                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-07-15 13:57                   ` Eric Dumazet
2013-07-15 14:24                     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-07-15 15:30                     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-07-15 17:19                     ` Dave Taht [this message]
2013-07-12 16:37             ` Dave Taht
2013-07-12 16:39               ` Dave Taht
2013-07-12 16:50               ` Eric Dumazet
2013-07-12 16:54                 ` Dave Taht
2013-07-12 17:19                   ` Eric Dumazet
2013-07-12 17:35                     ` Dave Taht
2013-07-12 17:47                       ` Eric Dumazet
2013-07-12 18:06                         ` Dave Taht
2013-07-15 12:56                     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-07-12 17:32                   ` luca.muscariello
2013-07-11 19:41     ` Jonathan Morton

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