I know we have a tendency to focus on just one side of the queue. In asymmetric networks, both sides get important. Attached are some plots I took yesterday (from the rrul test prototype which measures ping rtt in combination with 8 up/down tcp streams) of normal comcast behavior, the prototype of what I'm calling "cake" on both ingress and egress, and same prototype with ingress shaping off. these were taken on a "normal" comcast line of 20Mbit down, 2Mbit up. 2_20mbit_comcast/irene_speedboost_unshaped.ps # "normal" behavior 2_20mbit_comcast/irene_cake_ingress_egress.ps # simple_qos.sh shaper in cerowrt 2_20mbit_comcast/irene_cake_no_ingress.ps # ingress limiting turned off, egress left on I also spent some time looking at the behavior of dropbox and netflix. (no graphs attached) Both mark their traffic CS1. I knew dropbox did, didn't know netflix did! How dropbox responds to congestion is interesting. It's pretty good at not doing bad things to the network. Is there a paper on how it works somewhere? netflix does the classic video trick of loading up a giant burst every few seconds, then going quiescent. -- Dave Täht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html