From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa0-x229.google.com (mail-oa0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 924C921F181 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id n10so10420517oag.14 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:46:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qyjepNPfGYwVjBucIrBf64+H2ug42AZYm8e4w2UP5cE=; b=ZE5fCtO/8Evfi9NbaN1KqFO4/ltrCSPJ2gRgB+oNjkB0IPid9LxzWYVXLuEgpRqUG/ +vD+Xj9g6ccQjq1gdd06th6mkWZvajqEny3ga5Cg7GmnIS+BBGSpU/zgDQ47McVhE6TQ ubWyYw1AtuMpfM3RaRiF3qlYIYP7TaEQyl0A+8fxMVBah3jMEQf+6K9aHf9LjXhJOcK6 VU56IT9mEWPdOAv3aW4gCgoHwQlnKbrtlG0z8/6mKfdpzwDCAVWPhmWe86oZy+4XbDR0 H9EsKWzW9Ip7Xa3SINLBaudJh8f1aIt9wf3AOvcJfCdhb2+07h6OhXnp+MB0L4mJB2AO Mfeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.128.6 with SMTP id nk6mr29621607obb.11.1373489169714; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: gettysjim@gmail.com Received: by 10.76.144.67 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:46:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 16:46:09 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: M5YaQsNfbndboiP-pDlsD4mGuCk Message-ID: From: Jim Gettys To: Keith Winstein Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff242a31054b604e12e5ed7 Cc: "codel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Codel] sprout X-BeenThere: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: CoDel AQM discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 20:46:10 -0000 --e89a8ff242a31054b604e12e5ed7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Keith Winstein wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: > >> Did you compare with fq_codel? None of us (Van included) advocate CoDel >> by itself. >> > > Hi Jim, > > In our evaluation there's only one flow over the queue (in each direction) > -- the videoconference. So, yes. > > In the upcoming paper where we try and come up with the best end-to-end > schemes for multiuser traffic, we compare against Cubic-over-sfqCoDel ( > http://www.pollere.net/Txtdocs/sfqcodel.cc). > Great. I sure wish we could get together on *fq_codel variants. Kathy thinks that there is no difference between sfq_codel and fq_codel, and Dave thinks there is a difference. Sigh.... - Jim > > Cheers, > Keith > --e89a8ff242a31054b604e12e5ed7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed= , Jul 10, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Keith Winstein <keithw@mit.edu> wrot= e:
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:= 38 PM, Jim Gettys <jg@freedesktop.org> wrote:
Did you compare with fq_cod= el? =A0None of us (Van included) advocate CoDel by itself.

Hi Jim,

In our evaluation there's only one flow over the queue (in each di= rection) -- the videoconference. So, yes.

In the u= pcoming paper where we try and come up with the best end-to-end schemes for= multiuser traffic, we compare against Cubic-over-sfqCoDel (http://www.poller= e.net/Txtdocs/sfqcodel.cc).

Great.

I su= re wish we could get together on *fq_codel variants. =A0Kathy thinks that t= here is no difference between sfq_codel and fq_codel, and Dave thinks there= is a difference.

Sigh....
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 - Jim
=A0

Cheers,
Keith

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