From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vc0-x235.google.com (mail-vc0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FFB421F2B7 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id im6so10393262vcb.12 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:32:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=40kJv6DLe0u32onN5JwZhgHUbS4MPGa+YvPBQ5f8jH4=; b=SwDaXdBw1suHeDLY5rTJ3pzOw4+CJa7mmgRPPWbcq63wn2pXMeuozR6ze/xUtUrsle ncDqMYA6nq88i5R65h/3/50wBorSsRJZHJtGw81AnXmj6AXUcaHM1038Vw3gJ7NcDt7O Kq54Vf+ngmjDsX5p6z6iGFEPFTduiZ4bQQaW6QDfJjsboChqWVBZWO8cUP2zL8fjv0X5 ASqvFeM/WLLFUFA4MgbqAYzdsP4TioIJY7yNeIF0P7Sxj2D9U1f9WoRAESZzkMAfW8LV rZgo2NoSLhZeqYtYNrAoACToTcAkhmxdh/z9ewVYXhrHPnMcZTDXn+OD6flIc0PfVrhr g7Hg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.154.175 with SMTP id vp15mr16174927vdb.97.1424795526900; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.24.79 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.24.79 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:32:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:32:06 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Morton To: sahil grover Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51b14274231e5050fd80f64 Cc: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Codel] why RED is not considered as a solution to bufferbloat. X-BeenThere: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: CoDel AQM discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:32:36 -0000 --bcaec51b14274231e5050fd80f64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Most of us on this list believe that to be true, in many cases after performing experiments ourselves, or at least looking through data generated by others' experiments. However, if as I suspect you are investigating various AQM algorithms as part of your education, you should probably examine the data yourselves and come to your own conclusions. You may even get extra credit for being able to describe the difference between AQM and Fair Queuing, and how they can be combined (as in fq_codel) to give the benefits of both types in one go. But for that, you ARE going to need to read some boring papers like "RED in a different light". - Jonathan Morton --bcaec51b14274231e5050fd80f64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Most of us on this list believe that to be true, in many cas= es after performing experiments ourselves, or at least looking through data= generated by others' experiments.

However, if as I suspect you are investigating various AQM a= lgorithms as part of your education, you should probably examine the data y= ourselves and come to your own conclusions. You may even get extra credit f= or being able to describe the difference between AQM and Fair Queuing, and = how they can be combined (as in fq_codel) to give the benefits of both type= s in one go. But for that, you ARE going to need to read some boring papers= like "RED in a different light".

- Jonathan Morton

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