From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-gg0-f171.google.com (mail-gg0-f171.google.com [209.85.161.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A031B2006AA; Wed, 9 May 2012 12:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ggki1 with SMTP id i1so766431ggk.16 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BsQBMqq5CzATA+LRdEUm7431k9jkuK5M5D062vAsDzo=; b=WY1Kcs3N956ZpxL0QyLLisF/0kMhkNn35UR7n30vY84dVX2mrfKpJMoHEcM2H8lFfm i0ltJbyI7VbQXv8CzXAJtpMcUvEWcQEktOYEaYNhI0FEcZcOn1ojoPs3swTNhLMJ2Esj zFRlGEZRHIRVfqPg1QGN84BkFb+kSifDJJdI14o9SagkGSe8DGGEN40TI1bnmfdYjVc4 yfDHfEGpz1aBmQO/ZNe7iUNwUPt7ml0IXu9+okfzU/5QDe7g2GdfVCdCs2WSGVQ5FBJi nriSX4VdQiFuPSjWHSw8WFa0I/4Oe2tOtn65bPKpomAE5exdBM7U2XPsTQPs6X1QEX4s tgag== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.153.198 with SMTP id vi6mr818075igb.0.1336590612428; Wed, 09 May 2012 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.94.129 with HTTP; Wed, 9 May 2012 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FA9FDC0.9010600@superduper.net> References: <4FA9FDC0.9010600@superduper.net> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:10:12 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roger_J=F8rgensen?= To: Simon Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 May 2012 12:11:55 -0700 Cc: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat Subject: Re: [Codel] [Bloat] The challenge X-BeenThere: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: CoDel AQM discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 19:10:13 -0000 On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Simon Barber wrote: > One question now remains - will codel AQM be sufficient on it's own in > getting delays down to levels that users are happy with for the common > latency sensitive interactive traffic - VoIP, gaming and Skype for exampl= e - > or are the further reductions that can be had with traffic classification > and smart queuing algorithms necessary? The nicest part about codel on it= 's > own is that it works on opaque packets - it will handle VPNs and traffic > within them nicely. It gets away from all the complexity required to > classify traffic in a world where traffic is often trying to hide. I'm more worried about how long cascades of codel code in equipment will work together, add lots of traffic to the mix, just how will it behave then? --=20 Roger Jorgensen=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0| ROJO9-RIPE rogerj@gmail.com=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0| - IPv6 is The Key! http://www.jorgensen.no=A0=A0 | roger@jorgensen.no