CoDel AQM discussions
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: divya singla <divyasingla1989@gmail.com>
To: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>,
	Richard Scheffenegger <rscheff@gmx.at>
Cc: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Codel] About Packet Drop in Codel
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 23:42:32 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAONkte8VwBrVAgwTb=tfQCwPYqXOjjmtOKBVEbzpU=0J00QS_Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJq5cE1uzJqaHn2YB_Cta-qg6=2H_WGoz6dns3KJqp3bFM38Ww@mail.gmail.com>

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1793 bytes --]

But Sir i heard that UDP does not respond to congestion.Even though its
packets are lost, it keeps sending packets at the same rate(unlike tcp)

-- please answer this too:
 Does codel implement concept of marking(ECN)  in ns2?


On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
wrote:

> With UDP, you're at the mercy of the application using it. With TCP,
> you're merely at the mercy of the operating system.
>
> AQM acts on UDP packets in the same way as TCP packets - in fact it can't
> tell them apart. So any application which detects and responds to UDP
> packet loss in the same way as TCP does, will back off just the same.
>
> In practice, UDP is used for several different types of application:
>
> - simple request response, such as DNS and NTP, where eliminating TCP's
> connection setup overhead is important. In any case, TCP's congestion
> control doesn't get a chance to do any good on such s short-lived
> connection. Packet loss in this situation is tolerated by retry, with
> exponential backoff as an alternative congestion control measure.
>
> - latency sensitive and often isochronous (inelastic) flows like VoIP.
> Packet loss may lead to a loss of quality, but there is little the
> application can do to reduce its loss except dropping the call completely.
>
> - as a way to implement delay sensitive and pacific congestion control
> algorithms, as in uTP.
>
> A flow isolation system, such as that in fq_codel, will often leave UDP
> flows alone completely, because they tend not to be the ones using the bulk
> of the bandwidth. Conversely, if a single UDP flow was responsible for the
> congestion, it would let the other traffic bypass it. This is why fq_codel
> is better than just plain codel, if you can get it.
>
> - Jonathan Morton
>

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2311 bytes --]

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-03 18:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-26 17:12 divya singla
2015-02-26 18:32 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2015-02-26 23:14   ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-03-02 17:43     ` divya singla
2015-03-02 18:10       ` Rick Jones
2015-03-02 18:22       ` Jonathan Morton
2015-03-02 18:43         ` divya singla
2015-03-02 19:07           ` Jonathan Morton
2015-03-03 18:12             ` divya singla [this message]
2015-03-03 18:27               ` Rick Jones
2015-03-02 18:35       ` Jonathan Morton
     [not found] <mailman.153549.1425025588.1815.codel@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2015-02-28  1:57 ` David Collier-Brown

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://lists.bufferbloat.net/postorius/lists/codel.lists.bufferbloat.net/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to='CAONkte8VwBrVAgwTb=tfQCwPYqXOjjmtOKBVEbzpU=0J00QS_Q@mail.gmail.com' \
    --to=divyasingla1989@gmail.com \
    --cc=chromatix99@gmail.com \
    --cc=codel@lists.bufferbloat.net \
    --cc=rscheff@gmx.at \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox