From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd35.google.com (mail-io1-xd35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46FDF3CB37 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd35.google.com with SMTP id j5so101474276ioj.8 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:31:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mti-systems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=OSZsQ3VVGpf55miW/w4nru9OgT/3cPKbW/376LCKr7E=; b=eZK7/hM52+D2mVstbDmqbX2DfjXbqUDNVRFsrVZu/s2+qyjux89O4lMxMBjji54wqv N/tTtuYVV/BY62Z11bOaRiFSCl4eesCWdZZDpi/4I6Z2+BuaVsOcU/PtdK8ydMGrRPDA ZjH06DUhpA+GDwcnMY32plLqDoMQToqaeQ3s37hc3O32YD+UvlCGwZzyXhgEd77EynQQ i6RITyzBU7dfkwHAojz1198MsEFxQRqutkIaBjpZj7aUbG88BpicywwRthX8Ycw+P4m9 2MSpz5wxWM7Hcj6memyfUB6K3ZQumnCmsEopmY9Dvtqb6C7UlU19DSCFk+CsYfPyQj6W K8HQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=OSZsQ3VVGpf55miW/w4nru9OgT/3cPKbW/376LCKr7E=; b=c0ZQAr5bx+7j0xgOg6gyRoRzaDWCeoF1EO8N7TjjP3wwITzfj/j5YJrI74T2hmZ118 cCxR+FRVTLLmvnVrwO6iqwvfEJZF0l9TB/c/kx6mHFVRZ3aAnP1L+s2DKg6XIB61eUZ4 phvtuWtZyDLV6tID3j8e7a7/oppkoVo5hEbnnH/4g/OS4Rp8NtQ8yhX1H+d1OV7BLl7/ XORHYdqaMQGSeB/pkINglyL1rqsUsLUphSLyH2t/mJbIXK/Srv+Q1bYvO/OaWsZKYMdp 7tsZzkB9TNxrVIAj3AyBb+jqE8042Ntt5yAPq6L+uKwc5kTjyeAa9DE1yI/1LVOvKltY vGRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVP8+n0bgR3v+WR4VyMDMkYhcOwYETTdGsusFh9fURQczkNF0Wj 6WPecxkG+xgl+ysn/gkaeaIeUKW8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzhdVQwzkt3Kz0yqNQuVNXRbz5Vf/E9kV5mGp628nMlMjZl3+KvqBigdXR6IOuOEplIka/IuA== X-Received: by 2002:a5e:cb43:: with SMTP id h3mr46891168iok.252.1564155107587; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.119] (rrcs-69-135-1-122.central.biz.rr.com. [69.135.1.122]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k26sm39451646ios.38.2019.07.26.08.31.46 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:31:47 -0700 (PDT) To: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <4A8441BC-FC6C-48EC-9866-BB61E12BF7C2@gmail.com> From: Wesley Eddy Message-ID: <0f2378ce-4bf3-8ba7-c122-b2eef614b89f@mti-systems.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:31:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A8441BC-FC6C-48EC-9866-BB61E12BF7C2@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] L4S Last Call session X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 15:31:48 -0000 On 7/26/2019 11:08 AM, Jonathan Morton wrote: > I thought it wise to note here, for the information of interested parties, that a hearing on L4S' WGLC will take place during the opening of today's TSVWG session. The discussion points raised in advance are summarised in these slides prepared by David Black: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-tsvwg-sessa-5-l4s-discussion-01 > > Pete, Rod and I will of course be present, and we plan to raise several of these points in detail. I believe it is also possible to raise points from this list remotely. I think some people here are particularly interested in the final point on the list, about IPR. > > Please be civil… I agree, anyone interested should participate.  There is remote participation available through: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf105/tsvwg/ I just wanted to clarify a couple points (since I'm the document shepherd assigned for the L4S suite at the moment): - There has not been any working group last call yet on any of the L4S documents, though we have a milestone to be trying to get there soon. - We (TSVWG chairs) see some items coming up in discussions that look like they'd block us from wanting to have a working group last call at the moment.  There may be a mixture of things that need more experiment data, things that need revised text clarifications, other misunderstandings, etc. - The plan is to have open mic time in the working group to work through these, and figure out how close or far we are from being ready for a working group last call.