From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-out01.uio.no (mail-out01.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:10::50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F2EB3B29D for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-mx12.uio.no ([129.240.10.84]) by mail-out01.uio.no with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ippyQ-000100-1A; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:48:54 +0100 Received: from ti0182q160-4250.bb.online.no ([82.164.31.203] helo=[10.0.0.14]) by mail-mx12.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) user michawe (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ippyP-000DM1-FY; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:48:53 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Michael Welzl In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:48:52 +0100 Cc: Pete Heist , ECN-Sane Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <28972090-FBD2-40E5-AA2E-DFB79C2DA16A@ifi.uio.no> References: <80F6ABAB-EDDA-4B06-9014-D31E448FD027@akamai.com> <3644FEFF-F181-47A1-AD50-562662EEDCBA@heistp.net> To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx12.uio.no: 82.164.31.203 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=82.164.31.203; envelope-from=michawe@ifi.uio.no; helo=[10.0.0.14]; X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: 7DDF3F0C950FEDDD2925D7DAC6CFF05129C16466 Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] osx not doing ecn for me X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 08:48:56 -0000 > On Jan 10, 2020, at 12:45 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 3:30 PM Pete Heist wrote: >>=20 >> Mine negotiates it, but I=E2=80=99m stuck on 10.13. >>=20 >> This likely isn=E2=80=99t the problem, but I=E2=80=99ve fallen for = the trap before that =E2=80=9Cnetstat -sp tcp=E2=80=9D needs to be run = as root or all counters show 0... >=20 > No, that was the trap I'd fallen for. I'd seen it not attempt a couple > negotiations (from looking at the packet captures), then ran that, and > panicked! =E2=80=A6 and I thought that your Mac had discovered that you hate ECN = and turned it off just for you :) Cheers, Michael