Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet
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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: Prateesh Goyal <g.pratish@gmail.com>,
	Hari Balakrishnan <hari@csail.mit.edu>,
	ECN-Sane <ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Mohammad Alizadeh <alizadeh@csail.mit.edu>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] [Bloat] abc congestion control on time varying wireless links
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:12:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2CC1F0FF-4447-4860-BFE6-0C4CA3312953@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw7cHxz_adN4ezBEvtWtiduFqghSn335Cp+RAtyEBWt5sw@mail.gmail.com>

> On 11 Dec, 2019, at 9:54 pm, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The DC folk want a multibit more immediate signal, for which L4S is
> kind of targetted, (and SCE also
> applies). I haven't seen any data on how well dctcp or SCE -style can
> work on wildly RTT varying links as yet, although it's been pitched at
> the LTE direction, not at wifi.

It turns out that a Codel marking strategy for SCE, with modified parameters of course, works well for tolerating bursty and aggregating links.  The RED-ramp and step-function strategies do not - and they're equally bad if the same test scenario is applied to DCTCP or TCP Prague.

The difference is not small; switching from RED to Codel improves goodput from 1/8th to 80% of nominal link capacity, when a rough model of wifi characteristics is inserted into our usual Internet-path scenario.

We're currently exploring how best to set the extra set of Codel parameters involved.

 - Jonathan Morton


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-11 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-11 19:17 [Ecn-sane] " Dave Taht
2019-12-11 19:19 ` Prateesh Goyal
2019-12-11 19:54   ` Dave Taht
2019-12-11 20:10     ` Dave Taht
2019-12-11 20:12     ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2019-12-12 21:31       ` [Ecn-sane] [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2019-12-11 21:18     ` [Ecn-sane] " David P. Reed
2019-12-11 21:30       ` David P. Reed
2019-12-18 19:43         ` [Ecn-sane] [Bloat] " Dave Taht

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