From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x230.google.com (mail-lj1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0C4B3B29E for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 12:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x230.google.com with SMTP id l7so707256ljg.6 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 09:49:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=3PuBi7wzj04K/LNAr2G3h7TFOPOgwtYnpQaxT8Ghvrc=; b=g2coAgBWy1g4IlTi7xH1xjuPzBvr9e2YaNbpfw0OPhI41QxUCMmoUDNdPUq6nleZZN ne82jmyoq3y99T4DSKjvtu8nZIn6CnIbKX3ztLsBQISs4eqGRgSbLZ1ViI5CNjX2q6pD aGK8LNbdNP9Zp3T2XfmrhnDkEKovqHKIhuZT6dvPKwd3hQO+w7xtA6lhFhHbi4pTOCc0 PizaX9g9pl91HSG/o9nDi1fuPIcEgSdLKOTWBWu2TMNC3Vdln65352Te0OWk5F/A5HUC +1YnNidvUwJ7/bpLN53gs3HFfkFl7f/rePa0rm1qQTfkXoEInHDIwzfG6xSanpnIT0GX XiiA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=3PuBi7wzj04K/LNAr2G3h7TFOPOgwtYnpQaxT8Ghvrc=; b=uTyCWwXYDLYASd7onvHweFT4WZrzrSRV0QMqgiaJ9fJmarWzm5nh4ixUgInJvFAz5M LBlVzkOKCz+atvTPTEk6/aOiKLfB8NauSN/VatcFUaq59IPkJuREwveGsR8vB8nKZMap uAaI4vxnCr6Nj/TaIC6qvJ7reN+f3qaxCcmkVfAUc4pPQwVjv+WVczgQ3frsQ90yT312 B0gkAKkZ7LpEQrEQc74ebWYo3xAG3nBXfhSkJHL8NUWn9+OrWrwzrzQfAYkru1/fPbET QA6EB4l/eJyxN1m3uTectj9+gqJdECd7H3DiujSsy7jLNvFW5LZY7zUTXJzbvo0r0PEJ elKA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXSJqI0QR4g26UyvlrXKgsHlVBREySHqXmpT6eJWR/L39ZlztDR rfAenJNS0wIqSbiARGKHjrs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwW+K6JI7Pakhv6Jo7cSKfwVDxlf21t6NNUXDs7ueieewIrlzS0GFu49kSFXuiNxpzlyfBQ2Q== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:7316:: with SMTP id o22mr6022613ljc.21.1552754960742; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 09:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-227-44-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.227.44]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m15sm105331lje.74.2019.03.16.09.49.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Mar 2019 09:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <0E91C3CA-10E5-4BA4-AA0C-87B70E295A0D@heistp.net> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:49:18 +0200 Cc: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <38B6E9BA-DEDE-4E4D-B106-DA7730122F45@gmail.com> References: <862FC3E9-1059-4722-BF3E-6036DC176400@heistp.net> <0E91C3CA-10E5-4BA4-AA0C-87B70E295A0D@heistp.net> To: Pete Heist X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] proving out SCE X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:49:22 -0000 > On 16 Mar, 2019, at 6:21 pm, Pete Heist wrote: >=20 > This is where you=E2=80=99d want to see =E2=80=9CSCE=E2=80=9D? That might be one way to do it, but since the steady state is supposed = to be 50% SCE and existing TCPs won't even react to it, it'll start = looking very dense very quickly. I was thinking you could add it as an extra plot (a windowed average of = proportion), or incorporate it into the throughput plot. Or colour-code = the segment bars. Some sort of graphical representation, anyway. - Jonathan Morton=