From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C7233B29E; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 03:01:30 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1579852888; bh=h81cS7hBsW+GBBI378NYQYfR5sUbaEQFpb9S9mUfSOY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=NNGy0l0VahQ3DP9mcwJH5RGuU8CkDTPW3qha1X2AVKDorfhOek9xkoNdpNvBulsNk FvyQOgzYkiRweEXxlxY7XSWzHFPdHKbbOq50mVDbeaXYpPsGNzgarZDMlyRCDSXiWv zCcTkm7Dq30H1FL4bGnDmC5MTyCQdETtua2s4fLE= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [10.11.12.10] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MryTF-1jQusP26mD-00o00G; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:01:28 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <95CC814B-9F95-4C79-BF47-ABB551B50429@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:01:27 +0100 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= , ECN-Sane , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3D7A8E2C-5A8F-4FBB-89B0-9711E46CD560@gmx.de> References: <95CC814B-9F95-4C79-BF47-ABB551B50429@gmail.com> To: Jonathan Morton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:yzeebkQx1lGYB2+NoOPYkaY75KK0VsvC8eO60IBprvm0ePvjlzZ GITDWRrCGLCwcxVDJBafYDOZz0hrbCCC+M8Pg55dwb/5P+2ZkYCv5+EBgI8eN6hAuwZBAfk m6oJAbRQkDzhy1cUXlMMRBHjgt2yCOaBYM+jjvnrnPoeyU1tqC212fukXCMImLf8z3XvFW9 BAzYcqM85zUj2+Hrzqhpw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:sGwhcSqWUTM=:INlfz9JmeBt6nrdlqjue7g 8Tywm2ALYUgQ5GPQSQwcWioJR3siPgqv5i/tfidqfgpLP544eqn0b0IRmqH7agjoD1yJGd/kh cAFDwLwmWrTI29QRYTb5DlU7i20CJPlfeFepM5JmFSCWRGO7/iB2exvPJ2avZSxDlUsYW3en+ DiW2eQnxlfn1/ckd8Hv8TwLpxed2tpqcgsr9KVVCbx/dk9+KeRndLWPWv7eL6lWqVNdB4X8oV V24BE+6Qul1Yj0/pN5zq9dRmVB+r3CTZ6zSBh1CAai+RibLQ4JfNndM239sSS4IyIkt00Uw3W XdUqbHQwzIa5jTI2sqk5lmlLKnudNPTYUBE/5bjLy2PuoZ4ALMBixFVrcap7J1ao+V12Nzk2H Yw2jhxmjFohaV2V4bqrVYFJfkb4c1VV43a8Cmyc4CxzRPBVjvB0qNVPfBefCKc/2HyQdI9Lbo xmmHOZ+ujmKikfj9poraNNSltbTG1NWVUjd4Fwir8b0afPe+/6uDp29WKgozjZ2QUpwRILCpU JNruwJnr/ZJ0NxEJxXtkamZ0QSn1Vua8qchbsTS3i0JzLgL9ufwMXmK3p/H4u9bZLv5a1vjR7 2DPctE0Hc0fOg3kc4/lTULth9Nn9xVkP5kBQ17NnHPy50SdUuC3rKYWy2Nnk5umhuhZE/FEcv X+gfQB2LUssuqMOlGXO7MRdNddcMCqBwuGkZmp/T3CGFkXL2c2OZ/ba0QMEnv5O/g8h7k2Vcb 3ggb64/V4PQ2bM07K9RUKeabMpwCeVuWMlNJy697Xip0tr8gPLqjOTsbh4Vzo8/ck12spdoVq LazoTyKSc1j0ynCXoMpMC0frYJ2TOz8CMl0z9cwfBYXhj0lJ8ao3vsH0ZKi9NvZQ2q8hrVbIp tXFad1Khfu57ptJFvdi/kVNGjCwzhNXXlZbDI7YCW9oP5UcYIEsMmsjVMqz8yiYaIIxjgDVwy 66pv2tXkHZyPylQz1O4YE1Prs+Sp1PtnoQvKV9tNLNWaLT4SLMSHCvP48EZmNQe0kuY9vHQ9z PRUIWtAbZhCXV//VgLIwNCRy0fbBvvKQusnC8eAgkZIZBqD2xGg9/JO4MTSY73zyYP5CjKqPU Q/31YJ9M1FG4zmPpr64H9+/yjcX0Er+Onf6NaDROQYCXD6FE5g0N6Er2nHRCEu8OaUcM+NC36 1WuPuHuv9JK1mFFtFiCyYEd6RYOSNbNRhTKHuGLsKwnLVy+aRn8TgPBLiUYvTRngetL3pU/i6 /6uftA4kdX6p3lzpk Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] 2019-12-31 docsis strict priority dual queue patent granted X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 08:01:30 -0000 Hi Jonathan, > On Jan 24, 2020, at 08:44, Jonathan Morton = wrote: >=20 >> On 24 Jan, 2020, at 7:37 am, Dave Taht wrote: >>=20 >> "Otherwise, this exemplary embodiment enables system configuration to >> discard the low-priority packet tail, and transmit the high-priority >> packet instead, without waiting." >=20 > So this really *is* a "fast lane" enabling technology. Just as we = suspected. They seem to be setting their customers up for a head-on = collision with the European Union's net neutrality rules, according to = which "special services/fast lanes" are permissible under the condition = thay they are realized with completely dedicated addition bandwidth. = Just looking at their patent diagram there is one common input path to = the classifier. So either that fast lane is not going to be a paid for = fast lane, or the ISPs rolling this out will be in hot water with the = respective national regulators (at least in the EU). The one chance = would be to give the end-user control over the classification engine, or = if the strict priority path is only used for ISP originated VoIP traffic = (I seem to recall there are weasel words in the EU rules that would = allow that and ISPs are doing something like that already, and I agree = that it is nice to be able to field an emergency call independent of = access link load). Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > - Jonathan Morton > _______________________________________________ > Ecn-sane mailing list > Ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/ecn-sane