From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62CC63CB35 for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 18:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.19.248.59] ([104.153.224.166]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x4CMR88V050624; Sun, 12 May 2019 22:27:42 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nagasaki.bogus.com: Host [104.153.224.166] claimed to be [172.19.248.59] From: Joel Jaeggli Message-Id: <617F1DC0-E891-4548-8BD0-56054ED64E6E@bogus.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B500680C-9B51-4A01-8654-A39F8DED56F6" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 15:27:00 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4C8193B9-586C-4ED9-B01E-6BA37071600A@fugue.com> Cc: Joe Touch , Magnus Westerlund , IETF Discussion Mailing List , ECN-Sane , The IESG , tsvwg IETF list To: Ted Lemon References: <4C8193B9-586C-4ED9-B01E-6BA37071600A@fugue.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 May 2019 12:00:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] travel funds for ietf for the next SCE talk? X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 22:28:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B500680C-9B51-4A01-8654-A39F8DED56F6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On May 10, 2019, at 07:00, Ted Lemon wrote: >=20 > On May 10, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Joe Touch > wrote: >> The only people who get a fully free ride that I know of are the = IEEE Comsoc Board.=20 >=20 > Hm. I=E2=80=99ve never paid to attend IETF. Granted, this is not = because IETF comped me, but because I was fortunate enough to have an = employer who could afford to send me at no cost to me. >=20 > This model unfortunately doesn=E2=80=99t work for open source = developers who are not on the payroll of a company with deep pockets. >=20 That's an odd definition of having never paid. At the point of = registration, you either provided a credit card or requested an invoice. = The nominal cost of your involvement in the IETF borne on the part of = you or your employer(s) is no doubt considerable, especially during your = term on the IESG when the time commitment was also considerable.. =20 For most of the 4 years I spent on the IESG I paid the costs of = attending out of my own pocket. I did that, because it was what i signed = up for, because it needed to get done and because I believed there was = value in the work being done in the operations and management area. = Back as an individual contributor I come when I have something to do and = some way to pay for it otherwise I wouldn't be there. joel --Apple-Mail=_B500680C-9B51-4A01-8654-A39F8DED56F6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On May 10, 2019, at 07:00, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> = wrote:

On May 10, 2019, at = 9:47 AM, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> wrote:
The only  people who get a fully free ride that I know = of are the IEEE Comsoc Board. 

Hm.  I=E2=80=99ve never paid to attend IETF. =  Granted, this is not because IETF comped me, but because I was = fortunate enough to have an employer who could afford to send me at no = cost to me.

This= model unfortunately doesn=E2=80=99t work for open source developers who = are not on the payroll of a company with deep pockets.


That's an odd definition of having never = paid.  At the point of registration, you either provided a credit = card or requested an invoice. The nominal cost of your involvement in = the IETF borne on the part of you or your employer(s) is no doubt = considerable, especially during your term on the IESG when the time = commitment was also considerable..  

For most  of the 4 years I spent = on the IESG I paid the costs of attending out of my own pocket. I did = that, because it was what i signed up for, because it needed to get done = and because I believed there was value in the work being done in the = operations and management area.  Back as an individual contributor = I come when I have something to do and some way to pay for it otherwise = I wouldn't be there.

joel

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