From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8205D3CB36 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id h15so6353003ljg.10 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:38:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=kbCfOZSWwG5DshwNutIXwi2KRcUjaxaqcuZaFkeM+Ig=; b=ai2Mt7iOhIsHCSzKr52eyVs/U2zlPU52tiFFGA1V0k7p37Rxm/vdEW+tccJL5Fzpp+ 8ywKFpuIG5WffHf0C58O15K0Lg6Zy9DH31b15kAKyu2EnjbLeTbGGh4Aa3PfSMGQmFmV MTV6x1y2JpbJTDA6GDqC2WwEKtSGe6wINSOEDsvBc6slWBPAVzaLs/O6zZwPf0PScEBy +ClMhcQG1gRkE8rXu8h9PchjYyKqTyHv5VeBYL7AgfNGvc0oiIrmy/BHndnpCjCPgobB rGmG92m0lOadnYgqEZPBhhRyDhq5dwH9Q0zdBhvsohR5tnzgoOA/UdXpgYcMpn+Uqgie mIVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=kbCfOZSWwG5DshwNutIXwi2KRcUjaxaqcuZaFkeM+Ig=; b=k4zWTKe64xeh80I3AUEH9LVzv9Blk/S4Fz/0cjrR/5MdATkX4pxH31oQa/z7ewgIfh mVyLK7VPT5EFdu7GBH4dKE93zZ6bm7lvh0VkbW/igVir8PaXNYSNlWsp64JOuI4tpGks Sg1LW1MSNw0PmyBiJb2mRBm6ul5QztdFIe/GjGYirPRU51nPLO3IFAd6HfBifJgBEoa5 aHZjKsbBTmil+bM4LzywvB66WPKghafFkbtmv/LIeLyI4l6yljQM8++m35QwgLvn7xV8 xONJva7aCiqEHCpEWSe7MILyefXNjZbz5pv+GpUwnQpHAaNL/AoLqigRiD3t99ritogT bbow== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWxVWIrFPb+zob8b7DBPYDwkLQp6z1OeLcrZMGqhMjfRb1JAZRi t4ib4iMFekuKQJaE/SLONDvk6v0W X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyTZFMqLwSAQPC7d5cH9jp6Lwyn45WDtzQprkqVMZtvu3CyUBrVRwubISQZ9fQEJZgbAkGv5g== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9244:: with SMTP id v4mr12537528ljg.32.1565660285462; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-237-193-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.237.193]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l4sm6396611lfp.81.2019.08.12.18.38.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <201908130101.x7D11Z77014242@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 04:38:03 +0300 Cc: "David P. Reed" , ECN-Sane Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6DE08276-B614-4994-825C-444C6AE49E85@gmail.com> References: <201908130101.x7D11Z77014242@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" <4bone@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] cautionary tcp tale X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 01:38:06 -0000 > On 13 Aug, 2019, at 4:01 am, Rodney W. Grimes = <4bone@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >=20 > Still vomiting for some of us that have to deal with it on a = continuous basis. I personally have to deal with triple or possibly quadruple NAT = (depending on what dark voodoo my ISP does) on a continuous basis. Two = layers of it are inside a single physical box, and neither of them can = be turned off. Welcome to the wonderful world of LTE. - Jonathan Morton=