From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F384E3CB35 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 02:13:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1563862408; bh=ODFOnFf73pkFx/EgXlTDHnWHsUDy8rMeUm6jmRiBmeQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=gNq2lCZ0EOXhL5iRrwaItelx8gs36gStKZMrRIpd5+8BAhJCheqDi7tE992wXtoq7 JzbWL8tzdWLkn7/F6joRpFup4aTsYrIkZL6zRDFkT77R34SxiBiZMK6kRcAWIDVLTw oFjsRMUtETMFiV5Okc6Jkpa7mKEt4VkU1mO3Ro7A= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from hms-beagle2.lan ([77.185.124.97]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Meh8S-1i5IfY1CTg-00OF1E; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:13:28 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:13:24 +0200 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= , "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net" , Dave Taht , "tsvwg@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7C7CE2C6-DCB2-4AEB-BB6B-44A707180D7A@gmx.de> References: To: Mikael Abrahamsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:D6lHANy/8hd/SAY0fORRuWIIAbUr7oxGzqYF+yuuAgsFg/kus/W tUuXGTGfumAAuIMeNLrZLqtJTf4gXEsU03LBh6awVNdPL1ygX7PEOpqZ4EVZQNEr1PInTHF AXPsN4l8nvBOaiI/xKR+t2MWZ99+WZrbUER4K91L00bM/2dUNQ4/Eu6xS8GIiM82ZNDuZVH UYc242zfG0xrO0fBY50oA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:qzEBzFLbOiw=:+qEz6e8HaaObFRZtusBp97 c3NkzUQbUT7P7p4RvwapvdPXXaNIJSlbDTqaiaVXJh/qVsW1UE6wheupWh5slHoQuBpODrj3x uLxPIvCdZO7UB29m8A2X2aITUITDsKy3Xl7jlXRjmXh1LdMKYcIthleb5pvzUdza7g4M4+vzc Cp9CIudOiETf4UysgTJFzx3Wo5n3ydKqWkAYrxhhaLGaG/VVZGHy8K7qu3UBMV7JZggdDQDlv 3QW9RtmMBDlaPwD7u4ATltrLHPkn8kzRis3WvY33/ryToTJ/KHvuijD320yPGa9eaYo8qsvNi hsKMcg14cbC0NhAJpaS/vHK4/PQ0A7EyYd/hHv2xZxUiBYOImdARO4UtK2AdQEvGQtNyHKqCu 9qcjKBIJ4XSN8p7AphM4AiL9kGq1HEV+EvhtmLGoX4ZfD4lNanWdUkFGBi9hRHB6KR75sKxCI dq7N1BnljvPYoCVstzaOEmmxoOAKvHWVZEXflrGUz0jjT6CL/o7FaWzz3YK51N9KAiWoUFWlB iMBA9F7cx92uayEvB8Dz57Asfm0VH1fYJ18Tqf3X9AHUgoXuhlynHHWjlh41eD64/yXodG2dZ XFlm3mbpyRUAZlep9yGSE8S+AUyf8Eb6oqGgvHDvjHRI4CqkGNDOcGjZvCu5qZxALeuahrBFC XVOBldiKhmJ//7lUMwAOiYP/Bk8IMFHGj8ctPrvXh70u0iqYcwqPct4vgCEt2Vfm7nTmVREdz +L3K+0/Eyzll38ovOJFSmFkqbUT85lIySIdII01GV8ojJ/q4wDnb8SAT5/8gQPEGawutC0zqe 83bFpCctGK10Sx4/6X4+stH8k4k5pVBFHVdvkjXccA127djnl795WLHcuYlElOFUuSHeDnL/g dyySJ/hU27rKhTwm7KDD+KhDeUYlYgf9BJHx893VjP9DBadiT22q9jRCUhNVk92fsIcvVwa/r +6pQwwzj6zZPkITwmQtpgvxbCU1OcDyS5tSh1OFVyn+m/5xM2BshMQhJo3F4JzVtp82Tdn9RZ 3HhRxOiHqonwuaFpxragJI2I/WgQ3CPQyfrSAxd16esOS8ztGA2mY2uX21k4OTSZTa1giz5k9 Poh2OMgD63KSb0= Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] is FQ actually widely deployed? X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 06:13:34 -0000 > On Jul 23, 2019, at 07:34, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote: >=20 > On Mon, 22 Jul 2019, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 >> Hmm? Nearly everything derived from openwrt commercially has it. More = generally, debian linux derived Google wifi, chromebooks, eero have = publically disclosed their usage. >=20 > For CPU based forwarding platforms, perhaps (and these are not the = common ones). But one of the few OpenWrt hw acceleration platforms = (MT7621) then FQ is not done on the hw accelerated flows afaik. >=20 > HW acceleration typically means FQ goes out the window. That, and most other features the linux network stack offers (it = is easier ot be fast if you do less ;) ) I believe users need to = actively enable HW offloading, so shpould be in control whether they = want to trade in a ship-load of features for alloing their router to = punch well above its weight... Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > --=20 > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > _______________________________________________ > Ecn-sane mailing list > Ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/ecn-sane