Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet
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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
To: Luca Muscariello <muscariello@ieee.org>,
	"Rodney W. Grimes" <4bone@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
Cc: ECN-Sane <ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] Meanwhile, over on NANOG...
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:45:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8736esoy00.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH8sseQZkSFKfRCsyrJwwV17bOYbZaBPRm4Q7yRJvOe8vwqvZA@mail.gmail.com>

Luca Muscariello <muscariello@ieee.org> writes:

> TCP anycast fails in this case and I would not blame the load balancer for
> that.
> Some people will have a different opinion on that.
>
> The current Internet just does not support well these use cases.
>
> At the same time this DNS service is supposed to be used in a different
> way. So we may even blame the user? Toke in this case ?
>
> DNS anycast works as long as it uses UDP.
> The IP address returned by the resolver should be unicast and TCP should
> run over unicast addresses.
>
> Toke,  Looks like you are doing an HTTP GET directly toward an anycast
> address. This is where things are supposed to break and they break.

I was just using 1.1.1.1 as a convenient example because it's easy to
type. I get the same behaviour to an actual web site hosted on
Cloudflare (which is how I discovered it in the first place). Cloudflare
makes heavy use of anycast, including to its HTTP endpoints.

> If you traceroute over unicast addresses you should see the load
> balancer providing stickiness.

As I replied to Rod, the non-stickiness was indeed user error on my
part. The problem is that the load balancer is hashing on headers
including the ECN bits.

I guess I'll go reply to the NANOG thread... :)

-Toke

  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-13 10:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-12 12:07 Rich Brown
2019-11-12 12:20 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-12 12:25   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-11-12 13:02     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-12 13:54       ` Luca Muscariello
2019-11-12 14:35         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-12 22:01           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-13  0:04             ` Rodney W. Grimes
2019-11-13  8:05               ` Luca Muscariello
2019-11-13 10:45                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2019-11-13 15:36                   ` Rodney W. Grimes
2019-11-13 10:43               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-13 15:25                 ` Rodney W. Grimes
2019-11-13 15:35                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-13 15:36                     ` Luca Muscariello
2019-11-13 15:42                     ` Rodney W. Grimes
2019-11-13 15:52                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen

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