From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [45.145.95.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08F863B29E; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 18:10:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1634249421; bh=SqTLX3XsNyhgZtcIWdPxBwl6ujMg2mGDxfCFmw3eKqE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=dw+YZfx+osB6X+3FAP0rddGtIibFumKfa6O1v7P6N5/o3BtOkyg4BJ63hFNECnfGY 9l97z/ignJ10PZNtUUEYtfGU29UKqz7rV37iNBgXcAywovvwxSn5EC5JKWu35oyp7X 4GMQLYshyR5CdD7A0T2XdPs/fi9ZNXconOPfmTaCrzXjQKtCt1T91yedQzJG2+b8Iv ooiRde5RZ+fSB8OV00rQjzMeerisCs0KymjIaKCiB1YuhgdgZWK7R+rj0WWpE1quOQ UcsRJUoc3FFrCRQNv88lMFNFD3fPMRreYGlRniK5gHfbuJgni+ZRXQeXO+YAT+A1ON aBJNx8R08QXyQ== To: Dave Taht Cc: Sebastian Moeller , Cake List , ECN-Sane In-Reply-To: References: <87sfx31dt5.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 00:10:20 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87pms71cmr.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] [Cake] l4s kernel submission X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 22:10:23 -0000 Dave Taht writes: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 2:44 PM Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: >> >> Dave Taht writes: >> >> > weirdly enough, my gmail account has not received anything from netdev >> > since oct 11. >> >> You're not alone in that: >> https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20211014112718.6aed7f47@kicinski-fedora-p= c1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com/T/#t > > ok. One of these years I'll go back to running my own email server > full time. You can also subscribe to Linux lists by importing the mails from Lore, as one of the replies in the thread above pointed out. Been meaning to switch to that myself, but haven't gotten around to it yet... >> > yes, i think fq_codel will be better, and even the proposed >> > too-shallow threshold will make for less of a dent on the internet. >> > >> > still... I do wish I'd seen this earlier. >> >> Earlier? You forwarded the patch hours after it was posted... > > I have a daily search for fq_codel, bufferbloat, etc. I have noticed > lately that some mailing list traffic from us is being indexed again. > I wish I knew why our lists were not indexed by google. > > Anyway, lacking being on that thread, it's currently impossible to > reply. The Lore page contains instructions for various ways of replying even without having the original email message in your mailbox. It's at the bottom...=20 > That said, the l4s fq_codel patch is intrinsically fair, which is > vastly superior to the dualpi approach. Yup, I agree it's better, but I don't like baking in the ECT(1) semantics to UAPI. I suggested a filter-based approach which I'm currently discussing with Eric on that thread as you might have noticed :) -Toke