From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x833.google.com (mail-qt1-x833.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::833]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8560A3B2A4 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x833.google.com with SMTP id k2so10060381qtm.1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:47:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=kH3zngWddl+tjcsGD8gGLQdaYs/p3yLyJn4sOB4iCnY=; b=ks43rDkOUbNIKUKyx88jjVH2/5nGQpfTRKUq671kAzh/O0wDXjTsoig5lCXobu6GWT UsmQRbsaJujTzxwMRcLx3GuPIMH/hxgFiG2cztFfcBcbrxH7JdpV5/NfWzntrVLd/VSq EHy8SoU8dUgnHN8j2bYj3FKP6svQWKUyCHAGVZTigZCGZUxNr7YwNT4NAUG7vchmgLYE NwRwSMqKmdtJ7cCtQceoW5LxVjALQ267N6Xci/fTRVc88dkQJ1CyQo0hUTmdld5w0n2r jx4K3bFooEJeRahdHGBPfYgfsDJn8EKS9zoO72sXJjERzYDTmYtrM1MwSDlH25p5JvJt pHrg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=kH3zngWddl+tjcsGD8gGLQdaYs/p3yLyJn4sOB4iCnY=; b=TPBg9WW87BxeeKnaCWWPCPpRJa+8VXkMM49SrKKFqS5VMsHKlsQA8+iXL6q3MR6y6m SObxPfwJlkncwO8eSNyGN0nuqh+v0KJ2r2HOy3v899r6tE8wzl+yrgbNCtNwdfR1FnnV AHFB56tFPGJRiqdJ+rd4ZpaMVnjuaJpmZARTij5vIyX2Au3ClpEK/+NLmXZsaCK2a8Tg cxTsoj51vyNGuf3A8HM+7uScla25vobwSGP06rAZ6BVkQVl4VybfgG0kVA9pMozWOCfa nVJKc8g770mTftMAsl5298ptvmaTKcdcFPY5y5ak8DJo6W+wIJZJ9SUmq5xBd1tWCe2r q/fQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWNrQ/Fi9SXbbvVEGyUp4XB3kXBD29n+p1f7p8S5ih4VIynzmEV aj8O6xjvWD/CS3Jw2OCV+r0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzBJcl9X7wzjb0XO6XgTCvFZ5qtAo0ysXnb5qinUqEBzTcyLemm3SkMPng2kYh0s0LK9sTUaw== X-Received: by 2002:aed:3ffa:: with SMTP id w55mr17205736qth.142.1553518027020; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.253.110] (pool-64-223-227-243.port.east.myfairpoint.net. [64.223.227.243]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j25sm6917020qtc.24.2019.03.25.05.47.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Rich Brown In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:47:09 -0400 Cc: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <88B1CA2C-7FCB-4B4B-BAB0-3291EFC91B3F@gmail.com> References: To: Jonathan Morton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] draft tsvwg slides #1 X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:47:07 -0000 > On Mar 25, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Jonathan Morton = wrote: >=20 >> On 25 Mar, 2019, at 1:27 pm, Rich Brown = wrote: >>=20 >> Maybe say that *loss* only provides binary signal per RTT >=20 > That's also true of CE, because of the feedback mechanism which = involves making ECE sticky for an RTT. I'm sure that was part of making = sure CE was equivalent to loss. >=20 > - Jonathan Morton OK. I haven't been following this discussion carefully, so am happy to = be corrected.=20 I would still swap slides 3 & 4 (introduce the new idea before telling = people that you're taking over ECT(1)) The plot is (much) better now but could benefit from a narrative. = Perhaps the chart could be smaller (since it's much more readable) with = a legend on the right to describe what the colors show. (I know you'll = say it in the presentation, but a reader won't know what this is about.) Thanks again! Rich PS - And how many minutes do you have left before presenting? :-) Good = luck, and have fun!=