From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com (mail-wm1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56D9C3B29E for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 14:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id f65so9386705wma.2 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 11:44:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=HS9XnlAONyS1/nKaTEf8R+/Uxx0v3VoW5O2tV5iW/Ag=; b=bWD9EP2zvvaDT3S9Gr1hU3BNDw8IWRHuT9GmPEAMJLJxO05DtiAaym8pemJpjCAXxP bGyC5UnM7d8BtgyxHPaQqfOvvkwTaaU8FGHZ66m1Ld3J1PWF2tw8U3KoNIeVLDajeE5r J7ShQhGUwQWi7dPEwOwkKLc7pdjJXkiIMgd+vimKJbMB+XarWdedhiKtzJw82aupnI99 uc0AF+nD9+rBbaH4UDjCQGaFXrzQ2e5/7CvXzVGpk6smqTYJVQsDYsarwF0wBGZve3/M sD7nxgIkj13jDleOb8P655z9/cqLIdCklqr8CYrS79FIyQYfjqyTfDE0r2o4YEjdQLCx embA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=HS9XnlAONyS1/nKaTEf8R+/Uxx0v3VoW5O2tV5iW/Ag=; b=ks6LlUK3KoYjbrBT8d2XgaiSwC5F1RNVVwEUCNGXSDDGi3cyWPOhd1iAtCZ2Qa30CX fHf9vPNMn6B7MZjy5X9rgyLx5RzgLigciBF09pywDjXaQW+CyevoIu7B8st884DchF2n 0qm4/M/S4/oJYjFBOmFFmcuML+FMM6+Z6/d3835ZsUTpJUwMsxHMJFY7WmbKlArA3F+C q4qQpUJgp1psM8OhRzn3vY8u17ERW9PgQ489kYWs5ucnuIlhCjwFPgOutNOJKFRraRKI 64xfDd5FP3d37ogeUplK31t9tzY8LulCYFyj3ShYj5VEKAravOhy6e5n6M6xAe6RigWu 5Lwg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWQdCKuoSoWTgKwDVvGaX65NPfAm2278nfvG3dm0ZZpcKoZ01n8 TXeYcsNP+/F91k3b8pAVq1WJSA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyJdkB6ia8Fkj4lExykSCBbMHsSbuNHbIio8nVqDpinon4qAb6Ou9AbporHFY79seQ2xK7urQ== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:cbd3:: with SMTP id n19mr5596899wmi.131.1552761856533; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 11:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tron.luk.heistp.net (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s3sm8815071wrt.81.2019.03.16.11.44.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Mar 2019 11:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: <38B6E9BA-DEDE-4E4D-B106-DA7730122F45@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 19:44:14 +0100 Cc: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8FCFB1DC-0585-4574-ABBF-99FC78E06CE8@heistp.net> References: <862FC3E9-1059-4722-BF3E-6036DC176400@heistp.net> <0E91C3CA-10E5-4BA4-AA0C-87B70E295A0D@heistp.net> <38B6E9BA-DEDE-4E4D-B106-DA7730122F45@gmail.com> To: Jonathan Morton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] proving out SCE X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:44:17 -0000 > On Mar 16, 2019, at 5:49 PM, Jonathan Morton = wrote: >=20 > That might be one way to do it, but since the steady state is supposed = to be 50% SCE and existing TCPs won't even react to it, it'll start = looking very dense very quickly. >=20 > I was thinking you could add it as an extra plot (a windowed average = of proportion), or incorporate it into the throughput plot. Or = colour-code the segment bars. Some sort of graphical representation, = anyway. Right, a windowed average of the proportion is really what we want to = see. I=E2=80=99ll see what I can come up with...