From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B8283B29D for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 04:41:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id p17so1239478wma.1 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 01:41:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=0ZCBW9pODxlKU36UhQyk/2yI8ngNU/ZLINPeRJJD8YQ=; b=j5T4GrZbnwHkC205+KjekVqfx6CWqD/meIs3a46+iUyNyz8Zh6la6OHjU2C4p7cqBX /r94coKTndxub595u0+s6OOlpnS2BdWyJPYd0Y5DUXLysP+rqjoEenext+t6ymd9EjQ+ rsdzCTG2IDeP6/cwCgANK3JiSGZG8nRixq1jOTh0SBULGXcX1uJw/oeImhyEvmt7Ov96 SaXyajM5nJsXe+jRG2MBEJlt0ILmJ4aB5frFYMJjBpxHVWSeRIcaJhCFk9r9tAzcOGJr qu4A/KC9LHr2Hr3ESLmJWdX5RF0GrJKXO9Jo6Z8MrDrlXYziEHFk/AekGX05G96G/arB 4pUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=0ZCBW9pODxlKU36UhQyk/2yI8ngNU/ZLINPeRJJD8YQ=; b=JWhGkvel7TQCZJoCyPJIa6SwYuCqhQdlhGqGJWWontlFkrlgd0YY/q9wbkSK/k7pXP fkCyAwuBmYtFDy7D8GEeqYq8JPhKWPbRgnksvjJ8BjYT7D4MA0TOQep9kTBEII0TS0sZ jeI5PJ0KVPEMFL09tCFJOqijNBeoB3YDtLKBieRUDdxyJ7wESs/RwsQZ0vsC7MBwi0El XGSQ8CLvj7p4x0AWH6tIZdKu4f+ZGxaNsvO+tlkkxgdFE5XJPHjbq4TjEU7z9caOMm5w Dki3uq4LSyzxk1tV12kfRbyAsU2D+lVvLPrFFcANb8QYOsOe17CH2j2H2ydGsnWEk6hY 4txQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU1qmOZBgG8znpG0LoxnQrmyjS6zUoRY+IWR9a46e3QTCcrKMIu hOiHQhNk2DuseDKvRO2kdMeCWQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqykemgQhkmuVarB11NOypiQMRAVp/o+YT9waGg2b3HK0h4lN4wOgO9oqnYqlKVNc7zn8T712g== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:1d8c:: with SMTP id d134mr3243090wmd.16.1578649277846; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 01:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from yoda.lt2.drhleny.cz ([185.15.109.151]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z83sm1626136wmg.2.2020.01.10.01.41.16 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jan 2020 01:41:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: <28972090-FBD2-40E5-AA2E-DFB79C2DA16A@ifi.uio.no> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:41:16 +0100 Cc: Dave Taht , ECN-Sane Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9427F843-64FC-4998-B3E1-0299162C1C7D@heistp.net> References: <80F6ABAB-EDDA-4B06-9014-D31E448FD027@akamai.com> <3644FEFF-F181-47A1-AD50-562662EEDCBA@heistp.net> <28972090-FBD2-40E5-AA2E-DFB79C2DA16A@ifi.uio.no> To: Michael Welzl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] osx not doing ecn for me X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:41:18 -0000 > On Jan 10, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Michael Welzl wrote: >=20 >> On Jan 10, 2020, at 12:45 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >>=20 >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 3:30 PM Pete Heist wrote: >>>=20 >>> Mine negotiates it, but I=E2=80=99m stuck on 10.13. >>>=20 >>> This likely isn=E2=80=99t the problem, but I=E2=80=99ve fallen for = the trap before that =E2=80=9Cnetstat -sp tcp=E2=80=9D needs to be run = as root or all counters show 0... >>=20 >> No, that was the trap I'd fallen for. I'd seen it not attempt a = couple >> negotiations (from looking at the packet captures), then ran that, = and >> panicked! >=20 > =E2=80=A6 and I thought that your Mac had discovered that you hate ECN = and turned it off just for you :) I=E2=80=99d started on some other good conspiracy theories when it = didn=E2=80=99t work for me but Jon set me straight. :)