From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-out02.uio.no (mail-out02.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:8210::71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE15A3CB35 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 15:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-mx11.uio.no ([129.240.10.83]) by mail-out02.uio.no with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1i2ghg-000E4P-M5; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 21:00:28 +0200 Received: from ti0182q160-2022.bb.online.no ([212.251.170.252] helo=[10.0.0.10]) by mail-mx11.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) user michawe (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1i2ghe-0008CV-N6; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 21:00:28 +0200 From: Michael Welzl Message-Id: <95DAF9B7-8944-48D3-A4BD-A846CEAAF12B@ifi.uio.no> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EA1B1D7A-7966-4B94-8C88-CDD4075ADA31" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 21:00:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson , ECN-Sane To: Dave Taht References: <4471314E-BACE-4EEA-B954-9795833764E3@ifi.uio.no> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx11.uio.no: 212.251.170.252 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=212.251.170.252; envelope-from=michawe@ifi.uio.no; helo=[10.0.0.10]; X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: E608FBE97E1183CC81C1B915F619B410381B9EC7 Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] osx ecn X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 19:00:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EA1B1D7A-7966-4B94-8C88-CDD4075ADA31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Aug 27, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 11:54 PM Michael Welzl > wrote: >>=20 >> run it as root - strange, yes, but then the output is very different. >>=20 >> cheers, >> michael >>=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >=20 > speaking of iphones I have no idea what they do nowadays, any odds you > could do a packet > cap either on it or at a server or via wifi on a middlebox I wouldn=E2=80=99t know =E2=80=A6 but I can guess: some years ago, I did = a =E2=80=9Cjailbreak=E2=80=9D on my iPhone, and as a result, I could ssh = into it. So I=E2=80=99m guessing: if you do this with a current one, you can = probably still ssh into it and then perhaps run netstat. Cheers, Michael --Apple-Mail=_EA1B1D7A-7966-4B94-8C88-CDD4075ADA31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Aug 27, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>= wrote:

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 11:54 PM = Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no> wrote:

run it as root - = strange, yes, but then the output is very different.

cheers,
michael


Sent from my iPhone

speaking of iphones I have no = idea what they do nowadays, any odds you
could do a packet
cap either on it or at a server or via wifi on a = middlebox

I = wouldn=E2=80=99t know =E2=80=A6 but I can guess: some years ago, I did a = =E2=80=9Cjailbreak=E2=80=9D on my iPhone, and as a result, I could ssh = into it.
So I=E2=80=99m guessing: if you do this with a = current one, you can probably still ssh into it and then perhaps run = netstat.

Cheers,
Michael

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