From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x835.google.com (mail-qt1-x835.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::835]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5B7F3B2A4 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x835.google.com with SMTP id v32so9911278qtc.10 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=g8Y2haw1utf4ps+rfmj398Yp5/ij7ZRVAEKHyE0C53A=; b=C7Eef2ov2rubM7tVhaVFyF/Xda5mIIfKWa9ms1i9YzwGF30azkaYswCL1Eyct1QBBs gRH7ETxt+Hwq7Lxciowv6hpK6W0PLa0dKREnpP0g0YitDIeS8vKKbmIDu4IyIoeFRQs+ qOt2MYUZBp8eXLm4iEEbrxFjTSF3ZBdw5EBWwtomrlyyhYPBPzkEiMjekAFhWMuP741e XZgqY1YgwhnLP71ppwbboCOq8sFUAY2xG8khkGy5LgazMRK3OKHmcsrVcrCV2GzN65EK 6DqnSph3BliuzS80xqlBxMh5Z3al/TTpp1D9g+HxqkghVI+X9Y05JzYopJdjUPNAJXp2 b0OQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=g8Y2haw1utf4ps+rfmj398Yp5/ij7ZRVAEKHyE0C53A=; b=O9/2OTEdIlZqJBODurKEA8nvbepFCi/HKzF25R/+YLeHklcXpQmh0VVtWF6Qm+cfGc QLVquZZUxNIrW34cpQxIZikZ0Gj4Y2iWV5ipJEdq8+3xmqfZInHunZHKwyAEio0N3yON D3xsXLkYYcdfAx68FfYmukzhgqcGnmyfSpl3x41bN5q2Uap0TmXuEj0VGB26vrYI3nYE aED0sNlrtUPskUjIHf8Ud8dO7qOQ7DXZb6VBhxqooHgUWtXsnvSUmNxRsqxnrREEQPnl VxthGmTpQvKiyPQO29MZQCuoi6EFNAhkSJG/g3a7bKM39ER5d5Je1sn2Iml0fwzqwGOW QxKA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUYqEgMmMJ0lIR4ET4kxNjvWo4AneApeUhSJAUdy7/1fwV2CVqE EtPhlB5/dnev+paaIMrkTOtN4zRn X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzq1+rDOUhBcDj7eY7nthdUyIYELgVOIzS2XLGXycoDTUJFEVHRXuy7z+J1hkbbbGKs6qhREg== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:2e75:: with SMTP id s50mr20385177qta.375.1553516830665; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.253.110] (pool-64-223-227-243.port.east.myfairpoint.net. [64.223.227.243]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u18sm9568476qka.25.2019.03.25.05.27.08 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_75E5355D-5E0B-42B7-8E86-639456A94753" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:27:13 -0400 References: To: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] draft tsvwg slides #1 X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:27:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_75E5355D-5E0B-42B7-8E86-639456A94753 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Mar 25, 2019, at 3:34 AM, ecn-sane-request@lists.bufferbloat.net = wrote: >=20 > Working on getting better plotable data >=20 > What do y'all think? = https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/ecn-sane/attachments/20190325/2cbf= e1a1/attachment.odp = Here are a couple comments on the progression of the slides: 1: Intro - good 2: Blank - placeholder - you'll fix this 3: The Problem - good. Maybe say that *loss* only provides binary signal = per RTT -> Oscillation -> Bang-bang control theory Then... swap slides 4 & 5 4: Two Congestion Signals - major bullet points - Congestion should be an earlier signal than loss - Swap CE & SCE, noting CE gives coarse info - We propose SCE, to give high fidelity information 5: Rename heading - s/The Solution/The Implementation/ 6: State Diagram - good 7: Experimental Plan - good 8: Plot - You need to have an explanation of the graph on the final = slide. It's a bit hard to read the axes, but way more important is a = clear description of what the heck we're looking at. It won't be as = detailed as [Explaining RRUL = Charts](https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/RRUL_Chart_Explana= tion/) but someone reading (only) the slides should be able to = understand what the plot shows. 9: Some kind of summary Good luck! Rich= --Apple-Mail=_75E5355D-5E0B-42B7-8E86-639456A94753 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Mar 25, 2019, at 3:34 AM, ecn-sane-request@lists.bufferbloat.net wrote:

Working on getting better = plotable data

What do y'all = think? https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/ecn-sane/attachments/20= 190325/2cbfe1a1/attachment.odp

Here are a couple comments on the progression of = the slides:

1: Intro - = good
2: Blank - placeholder - you'll fix this
3: The = Problem - good. Maybe say that *loss* only provides binary signal per = RTT -> Oscillation -> Bang-bang control theory

Then... swap slides 4 & 5

4: Two Congestion Signals - major bullet = points
= - Congestion should be an earlier signal than = loss
= - Swap CE & SCE, noting CE gives coarse info
- We = propose SCE, to give high fidelity information

5: Rename heading - s/The Solution/The = Implementation/

6: State = Diagram - good
7: Experimental Plan - good

8: Plot - You need to have an explanation of the = graph on the final slide. It's a bit hard to read the axes, but way more = important is a clear description of what the heck we're looking at. It = won't be as detailed as [Explaining RRUL Charts](https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/RRUL_Chart_Expl= anation/) but someone reading (only) the slides should be able to = understand what the plot shows.

9: = Some kind of summary

Good = luck!

Rich
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