From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x430.google.com (mail-wr1-x430.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::430]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E96753B2A4 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x430.google.com with SMTP id q1so9953835wrp.0 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:34:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=XtTwwN7Gc9hKRVlNU/qxZsJzkheKAOovPCFY+G0I6ew=; b=r8ZZHp8l1XBIX0O5lQbzIhvXK2Ei7jMFdNOEMPZLEvAWByS+HO1OiVdQdj2kj//NtM Ddr9n01fL+tbpf1UhO90Q/iLXOZ3VL2lc/bQvPizHYvfl7L9/datElGk/wbWh52M/lG4 dhXqrf+1lSFlxUN4jnz0/MKhY9pN4Mp2+0eci+VfGVAD30SOIYOj+6srPabLG6uOZ6Tc EfX7Dh7Ltbm8m/zYwCvG2Dxii1KCwa7gY5kZ77a2gJxoA7oAO9FxbA4Q7yG2CyN4D5L5 OAMxoYaB1iGiYtAEkPfTKhdgtOdqMYo4rbWM58Q3X9jUkMmU50POgMEC6SghCBeFGsdN fjqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=XtTwwN7Gc9hKRVlNU/qxZsJzkheKAOovPCFY+G0I6ew=; b=aYfRaM7y070W4jixdql5Ht88Bix+dMFOJ2EMYEZG25ElNtNfM4Z5hdcv1KJ3eESaG3 AtS7zehnPMmvHEDuydKjHDVBcCV2ldJloLMHSBbwPk3VlM2bazvxDLticpKsHU6xDfuo +RD2a6BvLR1bJy1z7KvbNmaq/zYJLISMv4555gVRGEayEvz9yhyuHexgr2tTj7gqBrdj CGSQ2FfVpOzlFiJyhmOuK036Cqwu2m0KnqCgwb46gmrtJ+Lia2HgTm588IHurYYAVHnP 1Epp9GxaUQKym6laOyTubLEhSjwlvvlgvSobj+tkJcazgKuNo40cmZ5VwYfawKwevLoY qciA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVxSIRiMoUjtKAeHlR4NfV52WsQGUc1ksJclZhdW/AIpYAaMDVH dwqLp5O1ihZ3FZCe1b2L8ag= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxAYIvF2tuFYPDK8MEMMwgD+nR13nIXRFGOdhCNQ4WxHnkuLq/WyoTiaugx6LBx3hTcAsvUUw== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6406:: with SMTP id z6mr14572292wru.266.1553517297212; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:1232:144:19b5:173f:70f8:2b3d? ([2001:67c:1232:144:19b5:173f:70f8:2b3d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d7sm17842391wmf.31.2019.03.25.05.34.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:34:55 +0100 Cc: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Rich Brown X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] draft tsvwg slides #1 X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:34:58 -0000 > On 25 Mar, 2019, at 1:27 pm, Rich Brown = wrote: >=20 > Maybe say that *loss* only provides binary signal per RTT That's also true of CE, because of the feedback mechanism which involves = making ECE sticky for an RTT. I'm sure that was part of making sure CE = was equivalent to loss. - Jonathan Morton