From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from server217-3.web-hosting.com (server217-3.web-hosting.com [198.54.115.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1C883B29E for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 10:12:31 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=strayalpha.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To: From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lWtg6tgldRhiQx1Ytm5GV65J/elcplZpwMPNxPZlV9I=; b=YKbXvMVUB97fFx73fvxwhyueG GpUIrEkL05LYGSn/njZL5caOtqf+kYKvPRFTFOl9qPbaC+utAVyaa7qKKdHSOO5M5V9mNciBv3/ew QBQgL/JERtiV/wGqsnjDy9pYproreTLB1e1q31/Lp6CUhiHGq4iZEzA92un1ofENTnqdc//xslzPo 2d3W325hu54WZISvsMnkSFRGFU4Nu2QxD1hPscdKw54q9P+7/xrvwJYN/Zd/N5uHq+n2fYshuEf+i WFd3M2JTNSOi1+f2pf1m9Sod3T4NClfvD8+UilDchb/XDVAaTwUzYhvxaUtovSm1C5Y4Bg/4Hkois UI3xo+ovQ==; Received: from cpe-172-250-240-132.socal.res.rr.com ([172.250.240.132]:57954 helo=[192.168.1.77]) by server217.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1hP6GA-0042Lu-7M; Fri, 10 May 2019 10:12:30 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A22B5EAB-CD08-475D-B949-6826C4248F2A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Joe Touch In-Reply-To: <4C8193B9-586C-4ED9-B01E-6BA37071600A@fugue.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 07:12:24 -0700 Cc: Magnus Westerlund , IETF Discussion Mailing List , Dave Taht , ECN-Sane , The IESG , tsvwg IETF list Message-Id: References: <4C8193B9-586C-4ED9-B01E-6BA37071600A@fugue.com> To: Ted Lemon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server217.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.bufferbloat.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - strayalpha.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server217.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: touch@strayalpha.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server217.web-hosting.com: touch@strayalpha.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 11 May 2019 08:02:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] travel funds for ietf for the next SCE talk? X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 14:12:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A22B5EAB-CD08-475D-B949-6826C4248F2A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On May 10, 2019, at 7:00 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: >=20 > On May 10, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Joe Touch > wrote: >> The only people who get a fully free ride that I know of are the = IEEE Comsoc Board.=20 >=20 > Hm. I=E2=80=99ve never paid to attend IETF. Granted, this is not = because IETF comped me, but because I was fortunate enough to have an = employer who could afford to send me at no cost to me. >=20 > This model unfortunately doesn=E2=80=99t work for open source = developers who are not on the payroll of a company with deep pockets. Nor academics. I stopped coming because I couldn=E2=80=99t find a = gov=E2=80=99t agency interested in supporting my participation either = (and my current employer doesn=E2=80=99t either). This is a problem not only for general attendance but also for the IESG = - which impacts some decisions being made as well. Joe --Apple-Mail=_A22B5EAB-CD08-475D-B949-6826C4248F2A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On May 10, 2019, at 7:00 AM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> = wrote:

On May 10, 2019, at = 9:47 AM, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> wrote:
The only  people who get a fully free ride that I know = of are the IEEE Comsoc Board. 

Hm.  I=E2=80=99ve never paid to attend IETF. =  Granted, this is not because IETF comped me, but because I was = fortunate enough to have an employer who could afford to send me at no = cost to me.

This= model unfortunately doesn=E2=80=99t work for open source developers who = are not on the payroll of a company with deep = pockets.

Nor academics. I = stopped coming because I couldn=E2=80=99t find a gov=E2=80=99t agency = interested in supporting my participation either (and my current = employer doesn=E2=80=99t either).

This is a problem not only for general attendance = but also for the IESG - which impacts some decisions being made as = well.

Joe

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