From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x131.google.com (mail-lf1-x131.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5F5F3CB35; Tue, 9 Mar 2021 16:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf1-x131.google.com with SMTP id f1so29759449lfu.3; Tue, 09 Mar 2021 13:24:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=WQbQtZ2uBxiQFWqgsW4wSkgfF9hosKxIVfd0W9vcPx4=; b=b6RoA4OzCTzYz9Fudu58H3LsM3pGDODoXGTQgqrUizA7OBLrpiRljV6C6ZAl/D2SW+ H4F8GnhVEvtaRDCjuuoa4WVd0UyTgS8Qwl0gVSxTDQpLigb11E87DrK7XQMfrh/X7yjm S93eGmWj274dql8Iaym+b8sNq+hO7sqghPZCaaFXV1zhbabyTV2PFcvBngaYiOTttnMQ 340yzkh5T7e0vnZAEO5MxpP+Z9Z4cNoH1Q/6Mk6vk3dk5jmKTkmDmAOr+WZDvYgY5Udb L2iiGEjq8TVgyyQxzzRYSuyGIIvJ7h25epJ8XVIBlr59SSoJBDcUsImxp+p/YtcxHogu ZY+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=WQbQtZ2uBxiQFWqgsW4wSkgfF9hosKxIVfd0W9vcPx4=; b=GWnPidvIP7DtXmCUP8tQLNld+QSG7802+X9flvTyhrxlx0FFrLuIL2VhqDRWi8sUOo U42Yvc1ugdpzg5y8y8RxsIq/G0sYfaWnjBNRbaL0dal5SMFd5LrCPymr9OtKSb7l/uMY RxAwpCoU9X1EHiuDv9lxxuaTspramrUW44hxNIhNPN1N2On1fxGET/Dibuy5khn/OjD1 x5gdkHfXrMXE98Qn9u4Fdwp1cCepRZ8DZXLObl4f/gW1jT2gC3H4azhB1RTEGRqmmZoS doFvjDK2PXrvgns4P22jYR3VkudkxQ9OiTPs5nZxucJA1iPxM1p8oD4lPy+FQKLtj8XL ihrg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5323G7IeJ+0z8rsulkpDAq3cWDuVR60BQC2bdjvFbjXGD2fvI/JN HjMJwXTdpsG0aUlk7RZjKro= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzvsR3w1hK2yX3mRHiN74AjGYdOn3EKZVBFERublBuh+6dUqLDZOnOGgt2NzFo4HAjYiAon1Q== X-Received: by 2002:a19:ad4a:: with SMTP id s10mr18086712lfd.370.1615325060631; Tue, 09 Mar 2021 13:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (176-93-29-60.bb.dnainternet.fi. [176.93.29.60]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w24sm646032ljh.19.2021.03.09.13.24.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Mar 2021 13:24:20 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 23:24:18 +0200 Cc: ECN-Sane , bloat , Make-Wifi-fast , cerowrt-devel , Cake List , tsvwg IETF list Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] [Bloat] how to ecn again on osx and ios!!! X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2021 21:24:22 -0000 > On 9 Mar, 2021, at 10:38 pm, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > sudo sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.disable_tcp_heuristics=3D1 Now that might well be the missing link. I think we missed it before = since it doesn't have "ecn" in its name. - Jonathan Morton=