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From: Pete Heist <pete@heistp.net>
To: "De Schepper,
	Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <koen.de_schepper@nokia-bell-labs.com>
Cc: "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net" <ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	"tsvwg@ietf.org" <tsvwg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] Comments on L4S drafts
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:10:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B356F262-6047-4CA1-A6B8-B780C7981F63@heistp.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR07MB3459D891047B874E5AABB7D1B9C10@AM4PR07MB3459.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>


> On Jul 25, 2019, at 12:14 PM, De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <koen.de_schepper@nokia-bell-labs.com> wrote:
> 
> We have the testbed running our reference kernel version 3.19 with the drop patch. Let me know if you want to see the difference in behavior between the “good” DCTCP and the “deteriorated” DCTCP in the latest kernels too. There were several issues introduced which made DCTCP both more aggressive, and currently less aggressive. It calls for better regression tests (for Prague at least) to make sure it’s behavior is not changed too drastically by new updates. If enough people are interested, we can organize a session in one of the available rooms.
>  
> Pete, Jonathan,
>  
> Also for testing further your tests, let me know when you are available.

Regarding testing, we now have a five node setup in our test environment running a mixture of tcp-prague and dualq kernels to cover the scenarios Jon outlined earlier. With what little time we’ve had for it this week, we’ve only done some basic tests, and seem to be seeing behavior similar to what we saw at the hackathon, but we can discuss specific results following IETF 105.

Our intention is to coordinate a public effort to create reproducible test scenarios for L4S using flent. Details to follow post-conference. We do feel it’s important that all of our Linux testing be on modern 5.1+ kernels, as the 3.19 series was end of life as of May 2015 (https://lwn.net/Articles/643934/), so we'll try to keep up to date with any patches you might have for the newer kernels.

Overall, I think we’ve improved the cooperation between the teams this week (from zero to a little bit :), which should hopefully help move both projects along...

  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-26 13:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-05  0:01 [Ecn-sane] " Holland, Jake
2019-06-07 18:07 ` Bob Briscoe
2019-06-14 17:39   ` Holland, Jake
2019-06-19 14:11     ` Bob Briscoe
2019-07-10 13:55       ` Holland, Jake
2019-06-14 20:10   ` [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] " Luca Muscariello
2019-06-14 21:44     ` Dave Taht
2019-06-15 20:26       ` [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] CoIt'smments " David P. Reed
2019-06-19  1:15     ` [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] Comments " Bob Briscoe
2019-06-19  1:33       ` Dave Taht
2019-06-19  4:24       ` Holland, Jake
2019-06-19 13:02         ` Luca Muscariello
2019-07-04 11:54           ` Bob Briscoe
2019-07-04 12:24             ` Jonathan Morton
2019-07-04 13:43               ` De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
2019-07-04 14:03                 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-07-04 17:54                   ` Bob Briscoe
2019-07-05  8:26                     ` Jonathan Morton
2019-07-05  6:46                   ` De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
2019-07-05  8:51                     ` Jonathan Morton
2019-07-08 10:26                       ` De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
2019-07-08 20:55                         ` Holland, Jake
2019-07-10  0:10                           ` Jonathan Morton
2019-07-10  9:00                           ` De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
2019-07-10 13:14                             ` Dave Taht
2019-07-10 17:32                               ` De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
2019-07-17 22:40                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-19  9:06                               ` De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
2019-07-19 15:37                                 ` Dave Taht
2019-07-19 18:33                                   ` Wesley Eddy
2019-07-19 20:03                                     ` Dave Taht
2019-07-19 22:09                                       ` Wesley Eddy
2019-07-19 23:42                                         ` Dave Taht
2019-07-24 16:21                                           ` Dave Taht
2019-07-19 20:06                                     ` Black, David
2019-07-19 20:44                                       ` Jonathan Morton
2019-07-19 22:03                                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-20 21:02                                           ` Dave Taht
2019-07-21 11:53                                           ` Bob Briscoe
2019-07-21 15:30                                             ` [Ecn-sane] Hackathon tests Dave Taht
2019-07-21 15:33                                             ` [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] Comments on L4S drafts Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-21 16:00                                             ` Jonathan Morton
2019-07-21 16:12                                               ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-22 18:15                                               ` De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
2019-07-22 18:33                                                 ` Dave Taht
2019-07-22 19:48                                                 ` Pete Heist
2019-07-25 16:14                                                   ` De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
2019-07-26 13:10                                                     ` Pete Heist [this message]
2019-07-26 15:05                                                       ` [Ecn-sane] The state of l4s, bbrv2, sce? Dave Taht
2019-07-26 15:32                                                         ` Dave Taht
2019-07-26 15:37                                                         ` Neal Cardwell
2019-07-26 15:45                                                           ` Dave Taht
2019-07-23 10:33                                                 ` [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] Comments on L4S drafts Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-21 12:30                                       ` Bob Briscoe
2019-07-21 16:08                                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-21 19:14                                           ` Bob Briscoe
2019-07-21 20:48                                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-25 20:51                                               ` Bob Briscoe
2019-07-25 21:17                                                 ` Bob Briscoe
2019-07-25 22:00                                                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-26 10:20                                                     ` [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] Compatibility with singlw queue RFC3168 AQMs Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-26 14:10                                                       ` Black, David
2019-07-26 16:06                                                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-26 19:58                                                           ` Black, David
2019-07-26 21:34                                                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-26 16:15                                                         ` Holland, Jake
2019-07-26 20:07                                                           ` Black, David
2019-07-26 23:40                                                             ` Jonathan Morton
2019-08-07  8:41                                                               ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-08-07 10:06                                                                 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-08-07 11:57                                                                   ` Jeremy Harris
2019-08-07 12:03                                                                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-08-07 12:14                                                                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-08-07 12:25                                                                         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2019-08-07 12:34                                                                       ` Jeremy Harris
2019-08-07 12:49                                                                         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
     [not found]                                         ` <5D34803D.50501@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
2019-07-21 16:43                                           ` [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] Comments on L4S drafts Black, David
2019-07-21 12:30                                       ` Scharf, Michael
2019-07-19 21:49                                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-22 16:28                                   ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2019-07-19 17:59                                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-05  9:48             ` Luca Muscariello
2019-07-04 13:45         ` Bob Briscoe
2019-07-10 17:03           ` Holland, Jake
     [not found] <HE1PR07MB4425603844DED8D36AC21B67C2110@HE1PR07MB4425.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
2019-06-14 18:27 ` Holland, Jake
     [not found]   ` <HE1PR07MB4425E0997EE8ADCAE2D4C564C2E80@HE1PR07MB4425.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
2019-06-19 12:59     ` Bob Briscoe

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