From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BE1E3CB35 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 01:57:31 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1563861439; bh=vcKJQ5zH5IDVjJ9YjUFLb3MTLQ3BH7HnitScNN5TjQU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=I/qytEN3dt27rl4bfZUHt+c0KUpzZsPDk0nMQCqiz3kWsPoFEtjaoKYQE7zy0slsc Sonesyh5q/CZ1cTeC3HomaJjzkmuUzgyXX0ovPFThW+zvKIT5rUV3008sKGKB6tZyA XdSHJdhuhMZEChWbeeTDPBHZbvLSj4dkWNm3txuk= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from hms-beagle2.lan ([77.185.124.97]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Ml6m4-1iH8mx192K-00lRCY; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:57:19 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:57:14 +0200 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= , Jonathan Foulkes , "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net" , Dave Taht , "tsvwg@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <87sgqy3sqh.fsf@toke.dk> To: Mikael Abrahamsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:O/MHg48KI4Wi4HwiPNChT7G8c1glUVndTF7VV3cFqeRMEvRtP/L BB8OHb3oS8HdCsYjMJwzMVvtF6bIwbWi9u/VnP/9zxkpMWPzNJFfDOedzBD225BODX1TOZD 5uD5xsc1WoS1k3ouI4IG4KUMzxOX51Xh1Objn3u+imiI4r+CDmtX4MNBxcnCLB3RLR4qAko 9R2HeGizHYfGQE7AzYw1g== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:tmb8b0icQGQ=:g765Y4bbegJgQVhYeW4JVZ WXIo4hRAe7BUWDcATW+Hu5HVxADWDgp6vmXy4lPmaoZwjXIQ8/X9GuPnlsdt/JtDOxSq10CRx 1A4+9GnK95wJque49BUWWjaU768c4Yn1DlQUQCkrqwu9MadaJ9ZPb69u/grPRVlqIkxPgirNR 3yIiHfYg8WxqMF0uiM6TRKoPF9gXnB+yKC5MDezCoMmhM1wB0i6iZyeoVimMEyHpG/SiZHDVv 6BeBVRZiYVZt613Fi4TQWzlgcO9cfORrim9Y2Bj8oygTsjweIfrsAZjONIDS8YCK9Oqp3gKSF DKV80MHAA9QgO+RNcXuqh+4keoO7dks89ePaE/c74s0WSlbhmB7GJ8+NJ3Fpj+NA51/IpuSXq EWBOT84oVrzlUa8b2gtCbaPGAXrQcR5WAccXH6uonfPqIDRSVwLZQ5wGDFx3kdJb9kEvyBdl7 dBuRVIhpkJ3TPWz9KmoCU29nSshuYsSPXkW/MTB4erClu4J8p/a6v8c2SKq4vWDs/9ExNwO03 8rxHJ8h/AN+dJFdWyCXrgzFqVw0+I5e1vbd4rpMgN6d1vDc/mY8K04vhKO0litHxnsd8gak7x S73+X78UPnIwMuFfHpC4LPMhAyqaJB8BMb5krr6XaaSuFzvWtNtQUZ27xoHbIHA6FoqTBp2o0 anhWPwbLWWvBBdrzSShlMuGDjv0o35nQ8B4/y+X7Cdxzo1YwncjgYIWiqogCnz3F+Z6qQ6Wk5 z/h61ofK/+PIUYJF1HNsPWi33rNSlAIj30ey66tB6ln9K80Ga4bakzVGjnCLrAIyPu3fR5piE UO7noXSfX9LMtgAJUl/40wMURr1EfZDiYudVYlv6T7py2NkdFwzCHBLGzw2IvjIYP5IkWV0u+ 5wXCtBGcRvZHyCuwsAbT2W2Lt88ETGR6PK0BWI0McSVk5UVO3RHk4ER17g48L+E6LKmv7EcT9 xRagNgrwWS7SrRwFMpXQCFn5zsNgTDYXbtegJ6e0Bng8WAvpOFJlWyx8EN6JPdnRDLHlMhkLL 7Yp4OLSWFHC/RKbwDTqsk6kURvKUV4DWUJw2wv4Qd5gHEe14jlPksQzvV1Iio3hLYorOOBc61 x0lnJA5zZOYPZk= Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] is FQ actually widely deployed? X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 05:57:31 -0000 Hi Mikael, > On Jul 23, 2019, at 07:32, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote: >=20 > On Mon, 22 Jul 2019, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: >=20 >> Anything derived from OpenWrt will also use FQ-CoDel on both WiFi and = wired links. Not sure how common those are, though... >=20 > I have OpenWrt derived devices that use hw acceleration This is my min gripe with accelerators and off-load features, = typically they side-step the linux kernel network stack and offer far = less features than that stack (this is how they speed up things). IMHO = these are crutches and at least up to 1Gbps links reasonable priced = x86/x64 hardware can do routing with all bells and whistles (heck mvebu = plattforms also come close).=20 > and they are not using FQ_CODEL. So OpenWrt in itself doesn't mean = FQ_CODEL is used. By default OpenWrt does not use hardware offloads (and IIRC it = only supports hardware acceleration on mediatek SoCs) but defaults to = fq_codel, so usage of OpenWrt should still be a strong indicator of = fq_codel being used.... Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > --=20 > Mikael Abrahamsson email: = swmike@swm.pp.se_______________________________________________ > Ecn-sane mailing list > Ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/ecn-sane