From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from server217-3.web-hosting.com (server217-3.web-hosting.com [198.54.115.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D42773B29E for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 09:47:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=strayalpha.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=e72av8SBoyOlChWXTZCh4JIzOxJpWr9Sk+3L/g6BitI=; b=pkEE7yjJLrmP7Fpd1LBof7vm0 U6BCr++BB+OEtTyhFl3LlAIK6KgvaUOlmimVS7wUdkPwoRG7oW/eJYG4WIqSLUNdqsF8+d37dAeni omoy784BzUtSiywmEdCCA4bHeX1brxdYUoZnT+j5ztagd4NjCM/KZaqVcol9wLAoPSpgNGdP/GdoM SFpC4HMO+gbeNCR4PpMDTjsWj/nsprHrKfMnUDn/7bKiaHcis+amLXybYFJNA/E1XMKjuk8U4jkOX tpj5hEWtlm/2SLKh8B7vSwYDmoBidzuF9vuvtuN/ZGeDI8aDOVRrg5FL5b9AzJeV6id1eWg8XOg6V rSgkshaOQ==; Received: from cpe-172-250-240-132.socal.res.rr.com ([172.250.240.132]:64001 helo=[192.168.1.16]) by server217.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1hP5re-003aoC-RT; Fri, 10 May 2019 09:47:11 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Joe Touch X-Mailer: iPad Mail (16E227) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 06:47:06 -0700 Cc: Magnus Westerlund , The IESG , ECN-Sane , IETF Discussion Mailing List , tsvwg IETF list Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Dave Taht X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server217.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.bufferbloat.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - strayalpha.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server217.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: touch@strayalpha.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server217.web-hosting.com: touch@strayalpha.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 11 May 2019 08:02:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] travel funds for ietf for the next SCE talk? X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 13:47:15 -0000 Although this is a side issue.... > On May 10, 2019, at 2:17 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > Unlike all the other conferences we attend, speakers are not > recompensed for their costs in the IETF, either. Speakers at conferences are not compensated. They register like everyone els= e - that has been ACM, IEEE, IFiP, and OSA policy - I know because in some c= ases, I *wrote* the policy. Students are typically required to register at t= he full rate if they present. In the majority of cases, even the chairs pay t= heir own way or at best are comp=E2=80=99d registration. Speakers at trade shows are paid, as are some (but not all) keynotes and tut= orial presenters. The latter often get only honoraria and a comp=E2=80=99d r= eg, not enough for travel/lodging in most cases. The only people who get a fully free ride that I know of are the IEEE Comso= c Board.=20 Joe=