From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x233.google.com (mail-lj1-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24BA63B29E for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 10:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x233.google.com with SMTP id x13so10372049ljj.5 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 07:58:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=csW9ftLBEkRKUh+iPqa2BglMlbDNPnxoXi5/Y9oZ3UI=; b=CJ07vYyMO3JEagHrbwIfdM3J7J6QoRmkruJ/46bB7E7LdTVpUzY471RlmBSmY63JSo lMpMPsas/l3frXz644vqjrrC3/W4/70BwZHUA2HOFx5LeYJegEs5I20RX2XXsjD3Lq7I mFvISjYQwaQQqlknyjqlr4mJPHMUy0jVTdrK1Nb55OGZD8W+lfxbNAtLZ9VEcgPg7Vcn 8K43KBq6tADSr98dGLfXrnOT5NraNylSRKh0iExQFDfeThkEyv3aqdIvbzrQOizR35Fo T/FKjELo0d3u3rxpmjNo7tDr4nxjK7weuECVGgWUrNyqfgzuy+z6mTuA+n30JpXvQrzG uq8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=csW9ftLBEkRKUh+iPqa2BglMlbDNPnxoXi5/Y9oZ3UI=; b=lpOfDCcjaWOK4CBFL9WzI4FF/FFpBX1h/1fCwAVhj/UmFsMrsH76XwmIkgmF6LXD6G BshCy4rBcNaWiTWfSWnLtFbePdGJ2tnB7KyXoR5Kbnoy9loPLaNo2QUcDRql+bxsTsk0 D61R9++xlKs+MuNmsiLxYOvkDK5y0lJxTiEQtkhz5aROCxvznx2MHvmliPgD+hfAP7Dj uEgZnokFUUHA6kwfvD2Q51sGicMLWpFTDeRBDlrwEkhu6bkQDD/hXwjwA6EgVokU823R GSRgeSQBVflS6hLqo9I8wQyT02aI3Bc35Roqpl0YKrI+tRVT408IBm1wrzrZi7wndMUb XPsw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW7gfEtLXYdv3Q6pcngbTKg0bMBVmhdy3eYhKFLL3lwHMdWhVOQ wAfKsKfzT7kMHKjYGH5NzvU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwJgQVTeQuQuOqdh7QDFEVY/g3ofF2UN/uJrNedxuwAndI3V7euXeBldoirUh5E/uBzweeCrg== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9ad1:: with SMTP id p17mr5479977ljj.30.1552748313064; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 07:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-227-44-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.227.44]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 8sm412753lfk.11.2019.03.16.07.58.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Mar 2019 07:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <862FC3E9-1059-4722-BF3E-6036DC176400@heistp.net> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:58:30 +0200 Cc: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <862FC3E9-1059-4722-BF3E-6036DC176400@heistp.net> To: Pete Heist X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] proving out SCE X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 14:58:34 -0000 Also, a version of tcptrace that can plot SCE activity would be = valuable. A plot of SCE marking proportion observed on the forward = path, and some indication of any feedback path that exists. - Jonathan Morton