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* [Ecn-sane] a data point on syn and dscp
@ 2021-03-09 18:58 Dave Taht
  2021-03-10  8:22 ` [Ecn-sane] SCE pacing (was: a data point on syn and dscp) Pete Heist
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From: Dave Taht @ 2021-03-09 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ECN-Sane

I have been noticing some syn packets get marked AF21 in transit. I
haven't looked into it hard as yet,
but it might be a useful statistic to be collecting from various vantage points.

secondly, I am under the impression that linux now paces even the
initial iw based on the syn/ack pairb,
but haven't tracked it very much. Is this true? I haven't built a
kernel in ages, nor reviewed git logs. Trying to get on it now.

Now, I don't mind if the syn or syn/ack are getting prioritized very
much - delay in one direction
does not equal the delay in the other, but it does lead to a slight
mis-estimate as to how to fill the pipe
with that initial burst being prioritized outside the main fifo.
(fq_codel of course, essentially offers
zero delay and a correct estimate of the length of the pipe for both
kinds of packet)

this leads to my final question in that early sce and l4s experiments
did have a lot of trouble with having to pace the initial burst, and I
don't know what is actually done there, now, in current oses.

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* Re: [Ecn-sane] SCE pacing (was: a data point on syn and dscp)
  2021-03-09 18:58 [Ecn-sane] a data point on syn and dscp Dave Taht
@ 2021-03-10  8:22 ` Pete Heist
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 2+ messages in thread
From: Pete Heist @ 2021-03-10  8:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Taht; +Cc: ECN-Sane

Not sure if this covers it, but there was a brief time before we had
enabled pacing programmatically in our TCP CCAs. There's a sysctl with
default:

net.ipv4.tcp_sce_pacing = 1

and in each CCA:

if (sock_net(sk)->ipv4.sysctl_tcp_sce_pacing)
    cmpxchg(&sk->sk_pacing_status, SK_PACING_NONE, SK_PACING_NEEDED);

This should enable the internal pacing mechanism in the kernel, which
is different from the one used by the fq qdisc, iirc.

On Tue, 2021-03-09 at 10:58 -0800, Dave Taht wrote:
> 
> this leads to my final question in that early sce and l4s experiments
> did have a lot of trouble with having to pace the initial burst, and I
> don't know what is actually done there, now, in current oses.
> 



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