From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com (mail-io1-xd2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2A913B29E for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 21:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id t6so3466634ios.7 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 18:17:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JG4VGZcKQRdK2YjiE1S109j93ZNf4ZOSyDDyimOgxDg=; b=sKDlMsTB4N8zgsgrj/egkmsBMZS6jNVDXDumaLyOdDGXihljB0OivBho1Q1ccHxgtS noE3Wjz6eWBd6Qo21J7RnsfLsMppBYsezXxa01nJyY7IJCp5gelHplnrRya8IFLqhAWn cBtVie37DGqfxpSDvIEvodfWJxfasjVW8z5fI7EHUYs5au70P0pJc7kMq2grB0EtwoyB c4KJU/l3/2Ngn84Hbc+BaisQeZVRGNoQc5Rj+up9RyB5hf4w+WA153dZBvC8CpXOa0xT bm+vmJjv6PzJkxhHjS3Kd6DwLgeG4qvdAYLOvPd8IRpYoky1dIsANXC5yETioyyTPoDY Vxag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JG4VGZcKQRdK2YjiE1S109j93ZNf4ZOSyDDyimOgxDg=; b=IeiUtISH+QbBM+aYNVBV7ySNottBEiOoXMv7rT/d76hEJckDSP4kNqeM6YkvvsXWUD 0+4/ZuFBaudXd2bNmt2jQWioTsC8WQRMyWjPRREV1iukDs4msqIuNeEVYdfKPJCSggFj o5NNGuSM4fDRT2rsSOsSXhklrpILCetl6aqmQsUUhjvmv7TO4yeaqfdm7d9FqHxfLK1m Y0GJvytmQryBMaVjiLw7SxaMfOeOvR0FvsITtUjxJlisEd0PEKVfb+VAwCJFllMDQa6o qqeMHrIMoWkRVpZJzBGT9B03w0lLg0dmZFvu0uj01HW+qn4A90W5zv+ySLJodYRjIBSG Z6Qg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVMA3xmBYQ7UuYomUCo7iDLRRVvAmewHmTTMvJ0snOkLOcA//FB bQsbwj+CqoFly66R3A5bSa2g/szvNTEZOXmFKXxDfKCu7H8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqywkCv+QI+86EQrl1v5fv3bQDzl4SoF1uh6xaPMTKUJj3NyzRDbP/YmfD4Upgo22nQPDErars/k5GIrFgxRONE= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:9818:: with SMTP id s24mr8670429ioj.0.1567041477791; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 18:17:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 18:17:46 -0700 Message-ID: To: ECN-Sane Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Ecn-sane] sally floyd's ecn stuff X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 01:17:58 -0000 vcp shows slow convergence times: http://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2005/paper-XiaSub.pdf chock full of good stuff: http://www.icir.org/floyd/ecn.html#alternate and: http://www.icir.org/floyd/email/sf.97dec01.txt "Somehow, it is still the case that roughly 95\% of the traffic seems to be using some form of vaguely-conformant TCP, the steady-state packet drop rate is not spiralling up to 10 or 20 percent, and congestion collapse has not yet hit. I think that we shouldn't press our luck, and I think that deterrents are indeed necessary, but I don't think that the addition of ECN makes the job of providing such deterrents any more difficult, or any more pressing. I think that the need for such deterrents is already pretty pressing..." --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740