From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com (mail-io1-xd31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B1543B29D for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd31.google.com with SMTP id y197so5254299iof.11 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 09:27:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=n19b0+o4HL2Zp0wJwZl0Wg03o5kfsSH3e3x+QWdE9cU=; b=TjVg159+XEaOzXQBrj5UtKTMJ6t9A4Lh3/GObBwI5Mfa3BzWbwEkN8XiWEOFgvQzZw bBGNVCklNeIMHV7xmDxWLqHOneRpvXPi8AsF1XXu7oiWdDKtOMc7M+2HuZygIuo/Jiaa wQtizbdEYhUd07YqDaNphLt1+YRW/s49+bgp9bNkRW75xUYLFUKNXczoA7+cSqErPsVP pYeZuLht9guI+M59ZTdjg3TZLQMPEjtxz7ae5ZD56pBLfDbcDh24X9mrviULjKZxmTEy WtweOwqng2Ht6rRHubhYPz8lE1GQcZaDx15Dj4qMPjH3WM2NlzQe/hls4rbgFXO9J6Cu IX0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=n19b0+o4HL2Zp0wJwZl0Wg03o5kfsSH3e3x+QWdE9cU=; b=qQ7U9PnoT7Klf7wYGNi4WhyVK5IeFP27ZYM1oT8NPfes4h+JEDuKEqCI6Ucm/Bhg1F LVUmf2nFBY1hcifbmTA1UNGbNBS9VZo8UaEN7Q4DxgKwRfeS7Jbvv/jhC0srb6Nn4cmP N9U/uXTRpYDk9+4DaUhlurMI3NHNxRRmm+ekMJjlG7yjQJYM4vTrfw9pEg5TWNVbTRjw tc5nEpt5DnCD8J3Rguooy+KzneseDhTrDeHAlQkXBOs/7l0KoL2+ZswD/OMOeA2LfBHQ wfkti47B469QdN5rWEHDSuXj4TpICfcNm8ohKy+O2Q+F/WpkGefvYPpM9rD97tM5K7tn CqIw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532lsmKMAKCmyu9KTTkusxLwho3Xwh5BFfjyIjNaF9FbXs/O3RS2 sHjkn4FJYGKBsRuiAfmSsM04BT7AINzZn//4DShlraaFz7A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx8wjDVw6Bs2ohRInAbHSrhS3jFHpMaCaYDeyy7MsNVRLXOaDWjNZtb0hKLymxQu1E5I9Oe/L8pmm0mgb6M4hQ= X-Received: by 2002:a02:cc22:: with SMTP id o2mr3452815jap.128.1632068821154; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 09:27:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202109191621.18JGL3Wv037836@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <202109191621.18JGL3Wv037836@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> From: Dave Taht Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 09:26:47 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Rodney W. Grimes" <4bone@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Cc: ECN-Sane Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] more edge cases for ecn? X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 16:27:01 -0000 I am very happy to hear someone other than us, is going to tackle this, and discuss it in this talk. Usually the problem is the other way around, standards not keeping up with linux. On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 9:21 AM Rodney W. Grimes <4bone@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > https://linuxplumbersconf.org/event/11/contributions/943/ > > Dave, > The people that wrote this need to be informed about > how to use the RFC's and the IETF datatracker. First and > formost they start off CITING rfc1349 which has been OBSOLETED > by RFC2474, in 1998 no less, so anything and everthing refering > to rfc1349 is refering to the wrong document. Saying there is > a "conflict" between two documents when one was obsoleted by > the other is just non-sense. > > The fact that LINUX still has RFC1349 TOS stuff in it is > what is "conflicted", not the RFC's. Linux continues > to use and support a now 23 year obsoleted model of the > byte being discussed. This lack of following the updates > in the standards is infact causing the current ECN usage > some issues. > > I'll note that at least FreeBSD, and I believe the other BSD's > have some vestigaes of this stuff around, but it is not > in use as far as I can tell. Ie, there are defines, but > nothing is using them. And IIRC the one bit that is defanitly > different no longer even has a define. > > Regards, > Rod Grimes > > > Dave T?ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebs= d.org --=20 Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC