From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd33.google.com (mail-io1-xd33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 340473B29D for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 09:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-io1-xd33.google.com with SMTP id v3so41558522ioj.5 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 06:44:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1SkHAyteKjLjasZh/t4OyCnphYevpbhC+BKdurVMS78=; b=C/d248cr871CY5oAl1yvY7xPGIZ1+anAFK8sDxwCvAE3qLH4XCWq+Niz0ZqtdW9zsp z5x2cInn6x0/xt3VSgO0bxCOqop8hA0NWWVYdGaA/A/w80PGC7fhzG5Q48RrZ62t1322 txPOlQ8LqjadWQ0AJXqkySG6DzhMgihSjpm08Ebu21RUXi38vVWylIHCadCaW4kzsJwU BE2PAge/OlwNNFzhFb/x6YYGDlZmicvFykpXziMXOSe+o/DXb1zzlhcYlpB5awladiEq jUnVc8eFE/zXL32wqnXTyAgDfHWBCNey9MikQdWXlKJBDkHuan7XYCbDBUxWtMr2H9vx XYDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1SkHAyteKjLjasZh/t4OyCnphYevpbhC+BKdurVMS78=; b=JyoKZ8eD3oHT9+jNjr+zBW0lbo1Z9zBI0mgG2xVoLvXesX5UH72UtQ2Adq/GgOF7QF oK1MC2+5uiQfM9mJPHaWVRpZiB/mhkYPTZLvMDSCpZNqDjSQy2maRO2RZuuHHlWUPBpN Xj/t0RbESAIw/pftxOxAELWxNlT3WCNABVlEdoBirfdWMmVnM2Hkul53JYTzFpQ+tRmF qsGDWpU/QJcRliOHB8Estp8UUBRtkmZKIuc3kHQXMKaYUwWd7oThwNpPb3avyf29IUSp Reife839Nfgenf4kqIgigzwH8kie8welkZ0Qd60LCKVxAFoY3GnvT4GaFMUjkahX1uWM X0WQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUfVJtgCRpGryB266y4n4ZOPkCUR/wZRNh5pDmZARWmKhoZG9fo tKBpd0kUKW/rEEq8l4cOHNT8nBoD2t9ZQkIAua3lSQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzfQxumdJv8IdrZHiFhMnECUDfmd0+P0c4En0lb+kF7S73lN1MyXTqtmXc7A6ET6NtX+ixdjZIFf/w1GotnL1A= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:8901:: with SMTP id b1mr56189585ion.246.1578062694449; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 06:44:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 06:44:43 -0800 Message-ID: To: ECN-Sane Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Ecn-sane] bbrv1 and ecn X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2020 14:44:55 -0000 One of the things I'd forgotten about BBR is that if ecn is enabled on the server, it still negotiates it e2e... and then ignores it in favor of it's own model. (unless I did the test wrong, but the traces look distinctly like BBR. This is the first time I've poked into BBR since the arrival of EDF scheduling also)... fq_codel will mark like mad (thank ghu for fq), the tcp receiver will send ecn-echo, and we do pretty rapidly get a CWR out of BBR over fq_codel for wifi, regardless, so it almost looks like it's actually responding to CE at these low bandwidths. -- Make Music, Not War Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-435-0729