Re: [Ecn-sane] mosh ecn bits washed out

[Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>]

Plug: I note that I live and breathe and die in mosh, as it keeps the connection
nailed up no matter what happens.... nat timeouts especially.

I had never noticed it "just worked" on ipv6 before now.

Despite spending a few minutes fiddling with mosh trying to make it set tclass,
it didn't work on a modern kernel, (only a few minutes of fiddling
tho) and I was kind of amused to find myself documenting it on the
internet a decade back.

you *can* set the bits any way you want via irtt

irtt client -6 --dscp=0xff tun.taht.net




On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 7:59 AM Pete Heist <pete@heistp.net> wrote:
>
> Ah I see, so mosh is a decent way to see if ECT(0) traverses the path
> you're using. I haven't used it before, so I assumed TCP.
>
> SCE would be a piece of cake for this, but with L4S you've got the same
> problem as elsewhere, which is that if you set ECT(1), you don't know
> which type of CE you're getting back. For an interactive protocol like
> this that doesn't seek capacity, bottleneck detection seems impossible.
>
> On Fri, 2021-03-19 at 07:08 -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 1:25 AM Pete Heist <pete@heistp.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Meaning, the negotiation succeeds and ECT(0) is set going up, but
> > > zeroed on packets by the time they come down?
> >
> > There has never been any "negotiation" for setting the ect(0) bit in
> > mosh.
> > It's been set since 2012 on all udp packets.
> >
> > I reasoned at the time, that since mosh is the tool of desparate
> > sysadmins
> > everywhere coping with excessive latency and jitter on everything
> > (the local
> > echo of keystrokes is a godsend), that turning further enabling CE
> > would
> > help, or, if stuff with that bit set was dropped, be the focus of
> > outrage by sysadmins
> > everywhere and ecn support quickly reverted.
> >
> > Nothing went wrong. :)
> >
> > mosh has an extremely robust response to marks, reducing the rate to
> > 2 frames
> > per second from as much as 60 fps on receipt of a single CE. Not
> > going
> > any further is analogous to the  "subpacket window" problem ecn
> > enabled tcps have, and attempting to
> > sustain that low frame rate essential for mosh's operation.
> >
> > Ironically, since I last bothered to look, mosh gained ipv6 support,
> > but the
> > parsing of cmsg and the setsockopt for ecn capability were not
> > updated for that.
> >
> > Also ironically, mosh packets were originally marked AF42 but it
> > stopped working
> > on one of MITs networks, so the dscp setting was removed, but ecn
> > kept.
> >
> > https://github.com/mobile-shell/mosh/blob/master/src/network/network.cc#L166
> >
> > It would be trivial to sce enable mosh.
> >
> > >
> > > The negotiation can also be blocked with iptables --ecn-tcp-remove,
> > > which just zeroes out ECE and CWR, preventing negotiation
> > > (https://git.netfilter.org/iptables/tree/extensions/libipt_ECN.c),
> > > but
> > > I doubt that's very commonly done.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2021-03-18 at 13:00 -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
> > > > mosh, which has long had excellent support for ecn, appears to be
> > > > getting the
> > > > ecn bit washed out along my path from california to england.
> > > >
> > > > ecn survives up that way, but not down.
> > > >
> > > > Just a single data point thus far.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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