From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd2f.google.com (mail-io1-xd2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B9E23B29E; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 18:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2f.google.com with SMTP id s17so5517775ioa.13; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:17:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bfdi3AJ4liCqLox1BXgrKYYd8Z2cL0WH0qY8dw9S3UQ=; b=OcLzogOnB26ipw5jYQRUmomsiG1Q9BjSx+feI813Swe3/UjMB7etEl3iXywQZZGlwo UzOaWfMqZR/osmC1jvLKNejCVDuaPnk/RglRJ1tEPwltprojLmBNlozlsIJHBq9ZdN5c Pwf8zWDeoxfsf6zv9ig22+UuwMVrHtWYZBAlBXeLGCMErRh/mR7/Pnoyswfooq1K1ins Fc0cvY0q7ZlyHwYxu07GhCUs0ZqkHOt1AqFikfcyuNjma+OQXC0Ns7RybCFe8UZlXHlZ 6y2zy1tAqTl3Au55BA7nFSGw09xPNtJ3buLAbJNWcax9WZwEa6uZYyCDtdrSpB6uhcVm 255g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bfdi3AJ4liCqLox1BXgrKYYd8Z2cL0WH0qY8dw9S3UQ=; b=oiSzN+8R3iiMzXKwH9GNHZAUnwiuGzyBWaq1WMjI+Jni7rrnQmBVxUilt8+bagWZj3 DK8XD8k41wHokdzrGiGb5BK1XGrtQmBQ9nN34LZBJbOhT3eO+z/YA2KyZejrKrWFW2Im NG6nQFs8eWVk7iJ0Cf3c51Pe6rnQU9qq6GQbM6Qiy0OxowdGLk8zHj3+BqLBCeOKpb1e K1J/CLH4C8q2hhanAzVeT+fZQ2cE8lxFO1msMLyDAonsa56UnllLrMQMLVHdB+Z/7mnX nEl/v8+ceNVHogk+FaVkMBiRGaPFAX3XO2AHCUcDbdOSTLVNU+oCaou1ihRNVWyD8Q3m eGfw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5314CmhHN2AVWSZCwn9Yj7nZwwNYXI700dIucOgvWlO9IqwaTu7q 9tnQt2DVAwCm1pMQUq0fMQNhAiK3kKnx5IsbOfc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwgCo20TRGXR3f4APFbyG3FMlI8jweuFygH4dyfSKj9FWg9YctSEnpB3/4AUzftV/ZDZu79HUzz98+nf9yrBNI= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:cd87:: with SMTP id d129mr1201595iog.28.1634249868417; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:17:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87sfx31dt5.fsf@toke.dk> <87pms71cmr.fsf@toke.dk> In-Reply-To: <87pms71cmr.fsf@toke.dk> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:17:37 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Cc: Sebastian Moeller , Cake List , ECN-Sane Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] [Cake] l4s kernel submission X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 22:17:49 -0000 On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:10 PM Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > > Dave Taht writes: > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 2:44 PM Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > >> > >> Dave Taht writes: > >> > >> > weirdly enough, my gmail account has not received anything from netd= ev > >> > since oct 11. > >> > >> You're not alone in that: > >> https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20211014112718.6aed7f47@kicinski-fedora= -pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com/T/#t > > > > ok. One of these years I'll go back to running my own email server > > full time. > > You can also subscribe to Linux lists by importing the mails from Lore, > as one of the replies in the thread above pointed out. Been meaning to > switch to that myself, but haven't gotten around to it yet... I attempted to subscribe again, nothing happened. figuring out lore... is too much work for today. I'd rather hammer small things into oblivion on my boat. please feel free to pass along my comments and the sce teams findings into that thread. > > >> > yes, i think fq_codel will be better, and even the proposed > >> > too-shallow threshold will make for less of a dent on the internet. > >> > > >> > still... I do wish I'd seen this earlier. > >> > >> Earlier? You forwarded the patch hours after it was posted... > > > > I have a daily search for fq_codel, bufferbloat, etc. I have noticed > > lately that some mailing list traffic from us is being indexed again. > > I wish I knew why our lists were not indexed by google. > > > > Anyway, lacking being on that thread, it's currently impossible to > > reply. > > The Lore page contains instructions for various ways of replying even > without having the original email message in your mailbox. It's at the > bottom... > > > That said, the l4s fq_codel patch is intrinsically fair, which is > > vastly superior to the dualpi approach. > > Yup, I agree it's better, but I don't like baking in the ECT(1) > semantics to UAPI. I suggested a filter-based approach which I'm > currently discussing with Eric on that thread as you might have noticed := ) > > -Toke --=20 Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC