From: Luca Muscariello <luca.muscariello@gmail.com>
To: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
Cc: "David P. Reed" <dpreed@deepplum.com>,
"ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net"
<ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>,
tsvwg IETF list <tsvwg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] per-flow scheduling
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 23:25:35 +0200 [thread overview]
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On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:32 PM Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > On 24 Jun, 2019, at 9:57 pm, David P. Reed <dpreed@deepplum.com> wrote:
> >
> > TCP doesn't have a "natural sawtooth" - that is the response of TCP to a
> particular "queueing discipline" in a particular kind of a router - it
> would respond differently (and does!) if the router were to drop packets
> randomly on a Poisson basis, for example. No sawtooth at all.
>
> I challenge you to show me a Reno or CUBIC based connection's cwnd
> evolution that *doesn't* resemble a sawtooth, regardless of the congestion
> signalling employed. And I will show you that it either has severe
> underutilisation of the link, or is using SCE signals. The sawtooth is
> characteristic of the AIMD congestion control algorithm.
>
Jonathan,
even if it is news to nobody,
AIMD does not necessarily converge to a limit cycle (e.g. a sawtooth). It
depends on some regularity conditions of the AIMD law and congestion
feedback too.
For instance, AIMD delay based congestion control or AIMD with certain
ECN laws may display no limit cycles. Still under certain conditions.
Just to recall that the problem is a little more complex than that in
general.
>
> - Jonathan Morton
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Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-06-19 14:12 [Ecn-sane] " Bob Briscoe
2019-06-19 14:20 ` [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] " Kyle Rose
2019-06-21 6:59 ` [Ecn-sane] " Sebastian Moeller
2019-06-21 9:33 ` Luca Muscariello
2019-06-21 20:37 ` [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] " Brian E Carpenter
2019-06-22 19:50 ` David P. Reed
2019-06-22 20:47 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-06-22 22:03 ` Luca Muscariello
2019-06-22 22:09 ` David P. Reed
2019-06-22 23:07 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-06-24 18:57 ` David P. Reed
2019-06-24 19:31 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-06-24 19:50 ` David P. Reed
2019-06-24 20:14 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-06-25 21:05 ` David P. Reed
2019-06-24 21:25 ` Luca Muscariello [this message]
2019-06-26 12:48 ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-06-26 16:31 ` David P. Reed
2019-06-26 16:53 ` David P. Reed
2019-06-27 7:54 ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-06-27 7:49 ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-06-27 20:33 ` Brian E Carpenter
2019-06-27 21:31 ` David P. Reed
2019-06-28 7:49 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-06-27 7:53 ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2019-06-22 21:10 ` Brian E Carpenter
2019-06-22 22:25 ` David P. Reed
2019-06-22 22:30 ` Luca Muscariello
2019-07-17 21:33 ` [Ecn-sane] " Sebastian Moeller
2019-07-17 22:18 ` David P. Reed
2019-07-17 22:34 ` David P. Reed
2019-07-17 23:23 ` Dave Taht
2019-07-18 0:20 ` Dave Taht
2019-07-18 5:30 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-07-18 15:02 ` David P. Reed
2019-07-18 16:06 ` Dave Taht
2019-07-18 4:31 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-07-18 15:52 ` David P. Reed
2019-07-18 18:12 ` [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] " Dave Taht
2019-07-18 5:24 ` [Ecn-sane] " Jonathan Morton
2019-07-22 13:44 ` Bob Briscoe
2019-07-23 5:00 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-07-23 11:35 ` [Ecn-sane] CNQ cheap-nasty-queuing (was per-flow queuing) Luca Muscariello
2019-07-23 20:14 ` [Ecn-sane] per-flow scheduling Bob Briscoe
2019-07-23 22:24 ` Jonathan Morton
2019-07-23 15:12 ` [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] " Kyle Rose
2019-07-25 19:25 ` Holland, Jake
2019-07-27 15:35 ` Kyle Rose
2019-07-27 19:42 ` Jonathan Morton
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