From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x42a.google.com (mail-wr1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62B413CB37 for ; Mon, 9 May 2022 12:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id w4so20177006wrg.12 for ; Mon, 09 May 2022 09:25:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Mr9rdCB4qbVQPSYXn1nN6EFStkTUyXV7YotE52xe1yM=; b=oR6dg7ioQlYHS+mqjvCr7QeeobOYAw75vtlkCQxeckjDwdgSTxndMnGoaelkN0edmo cMIpJMR2AA+8hN8/DJ8BRBKykA/sd6/O0b68BU2J2yuHTAe04JSXlua7Gp/+CBRAK0ck njJZ34XWFTEqwYAxLI4qb0DUGHt03Tg3SGKmNP1RVVo6LS1vjBTNUgM90BKjFrsZ5M6Z EPE2qrPbBr0CPywsBCImHkxlGDXLPJJ5QcRl+QB+dwDe0sl2AiewXJF+3DPQofnY+3Ms jhde1z+4x9IRGoRzC1+eIRmJ25XMLEpkH3i8DWFp8wKz20wHO6xnwVC6tTnwzmvvnBoX vDww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Mr9rdCB4qbVQPSYXn1nN6EFStkTUyXV7YotE52xe1yM=; b=HYNqQ+saWRu5S+LN9QKOYb5FG4bewstG+kKOEj5yULBKfTykFpMfMkTMoo0KGEchED Kk+cBuhN2fcFFobtRrkRy6PnHY2QEjscNtNVo7xE1Ij4tUVV6tmInsRbdj3tExU5Qt1m q6gtuvUglQQbwCDhg6aP6JGtBccb9XFiBSUu4APOP72IxkEg4+Qnz8Fe6TRSWba/fVm+ 4Op32z5z8nj+tl16GCR07+DM0P9TofSa2jpU7yfJquQTjmlw721h31m8WOQYkZ3myZmd nF81JLTI4u98V+qp1+SC1QVG8954C6TRKd6QFkm8mQjZ7Ot9ZdwPn4HRXjxpUuH7f4sv Qn4g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531UcC+pNEolV+ykK4UdBca5RB/6AC+OREzII8ytG6dIfaRit/Hv FEg6TPbO7uvlEHYmqMRpYZ/UlNZkKFerky4/EYYr3w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyCn1/Nofb7fu+hAc4sZB2DB0saYjDCtaB26axyKLg8RyXvkfIEi9Exjz71pXEkEqJBMmCXcZoafKq2+dM7rjk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:1cd:b0:20a:d7a3:f44 with SMTP id t13-20020a05600001cd00b0020ad7a30f44mr14608104wrx.590.1652113551095; Mon, 09 May 2022 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Vint Cerf Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 12:25:39 -0400 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net, ECN-Sane Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="0000000000005e169505de96a955" Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] hpcc++ X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 16:25:52 -0000 --0000000000005e169505de96a955 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005817b605de96a915" --0000000000005817b605de96a915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable would these methods also allow for a fixed latency (ie avoiding giving precedence to parties closer - kind of like trying to prevent high frequency stock trading by front running)? v On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:40 AM Dave Taht wrote: > I like the degree to which "sojourn time" has been socialized. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-miao-rtgwg-hpccplus/ > -- > FQ World Domination pending: > https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Ecn-sane mailing list > Ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/ecn-sane > --=20 Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to: Vint Cerf 1435 Woodhurst Blvd McLean, VA 22102 703-448-0965 until further notice --0000000000005817b605de96a915 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
would these methods also allow for a fixed latency (ie avo= iding giving precedence to parties closer - kind of like trying to prevent = high frequency stock trading by front running)?
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O= n Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:40 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
I like the degree to which "sojourn time&q= uot; has been socialized.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mi= ao-rtgwg-hpccplus/
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