From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x336.google.com (mail-wm1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 682F73B29E for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 06:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x336.google.com with SMTP id n11-20020a05600c4f8bb029010e5cf86347so2235736wmq.1 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 03:56:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=duUUj78XSFwKSNcEI0aSpXv657bsINL1xlqDj8hcR7A=; b=acPCAT++L98pLk9Gqimd75IARM4k6gwF0AI3s/krV79oFhfePgFSzRBRCkL7CBmz1A Okfolf7LTL8dh7SuBTKtEGuAdO+IIxaFOl4j2yFshmpTxJjPHYgZjZyPw26RoY8SdP0t NMoWlq/+A36D+vUsSqJete/VZU+IvVmPoktY+ahyDv1NeUxztf+c7wGD9QxvjVRRl/EN iGHSdQ9s1zWeSPTUhqd1JwSNxiE3sM4DarP/9b7IwDkZYPRtQ3wDew9Jv60UmHhd72/y LzTT2F+3PUO1oUU4n8gACaHshu2SdmtPLhMOrmF0mwwNUPPUWS7RxXNcPdFVwdDP+7jL Gm1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=duUUj78XSFwKSNcEI0aSpXv657bsINL1xlqDj8hcR7A=; b=BaYUrNSVYQE18gs7zWjW4i+q6fYg76082MnBsVwiWyBs+hkso4oxrB4miBnqTC+BOo nWP2qD/TKL0OTHhnO+ouDGJt9SVAp7QtImkXhkCzdz/oVhu4GJdEuaHxnbLGIIweT0Kb tR57Hq9bLWcqnAVPsMTDKA8/17PRYvmauiHYTobJyGgsVxSPOoBigMpjs+h1Rd2smYZL 9K274zuyOPUe8kPew0W4KDWvyRtFwgdednuMfyDT5iPQYpaW9ALXffCao23NnGgBsz1B jInI0kZ9g3grv+k0/Mxv45yRUIXFR5dKUu1U6tQglHf2TeM9OMGltyl4HUmXQoc0nIwV RxYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531QtlSyVVC9CofvZCVnPaUooG/3MFYulcJj1g8Vs4MAWPtLAu3O pLC4FvlonNPl3+z2rw+sdRxdbQ8g8qgYSvHiVSxsFw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz3PsCo+NAkC+7AMzd74145WQxaLLwTM5pspSX+/1lUlzO8Qg6nZeKmte4JzvDKRbYmMYBUOG/d/QvsV4Ivri8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2945:: with SMTP id n5mr2609871wmd.78.1617188166168; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 03:56:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <880920d70c014664d8bf49d023ebfa1895ead887.camel@heistp.net> In-Reply-To: <880920d70c014664d8bf49d023ebfa1895ead887.camel@heistp.net> From: Vint Cerf Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 06:55:55 -0400 Message-ID: To: Pete Heist Cc: ECN-Sane Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="000000000000335ab805bed2f666" Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] IPv5 X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 10:56:07 -0000 --000000000000335ab805bed2f666 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002e6c2f05bed2f6d4" --0000000000002e6c2f05bed2f6d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" hang on! we deprecated IPv5 some time ago - this is a hijack! v On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 3:16 AM Pete Heist wrote: > Since April 1 is upon us, I thought I'd let the list know that the ECN > debate has finally been resolved, pending a few details to work out... > > IPv5 > ==== > > Codename: IP "Regret" > > # Header Format > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > | Ver | Reserved | Protocol | Hop Limit | > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > | Payload Length | Flow Label | > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > | | > | Source Address | > | | > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > | | > | Destination Address | > | | > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > (Ver)sion (4 bits): > Protocol version, set to 5 > > Reserved (12 bits): > Reserved for fun, MBZ on open Internet > > Protocol (1 byte): > Protocol number as per IANA > > Hop Limit (1 byte): > As per IPv6 > > Payload Length (16 bits): > Length of payload- fragmentation not supported > > Flow Label (16 bits): > Flow label- next to addresses for fast hashing > > Source Address (8 bytes): > 64-bit source address > > Destination Address (8 bytes): > 64-bit destination address > > # Rationale > > * provides more than adequate address space > * reduces IPv6 complexity > * reduces header size to 24 bytes, down from 40 for IPv6 > * leaves 12 bits of header space for experiments and future use > * makes the Internet fun again > > > _______________________________________________ > Ecn-sane mailing list > Ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/ecn-sane > -- Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to: Vint Cerf 1435 Woodhurst Blvd McLean, VA 22102 703-448-0965 until further notice --0000000000002e6c2f05bed2f6d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hang on! we deprecated IPv5 some time ago - this is a hija= ck!

v


On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 3:16 A= M Pete Heist <pete@heistp.net>= wrote:
Since Ap= ril 1 is upon us, I thought I'd let the list know that the ECN
debate has finally been resolved, pending a few details to work out...

IPv5
=3D=3D=3D=3D

Codename: IP "Regret"

# Header Format

-----------------------------------------------------------------
|=C2=A0 Ver=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reserved=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0Protocol=C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0Hop Limit=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Payload Length=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Flow Label=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0|
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Source Address=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0|
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0|
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 Destination Address=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0|
-----------------------------------------------------------------

(Ver)sion (4 bits):
=C2=A0 Protocol version, set to 5

Reserved (12 bits):
=C2=A0 Reserved for fun, MBZ on open Internet

Protocol (1 byte):
=C2=A0 Protocol number as per IANA

Hop Limit (1 byte):
=C2=A0 As per IPv6

Payload Length (16 bits):
=C2=A0 Length of payload- fragmentation not supported

Flow Label (16 bits):
=C2=A0 Flow label- next to addresses for fast hashing

Source Address (8 bytes):
=C2=A0 64-bit source address

Destination Address (8 bytes):
=C2=A0 64-bit destination address

# Rationale

* provides more than adequate address space
* reduces IPv6 complexity
* reduces header size to 24 bytes, down from 40 for IPv6
* leaves 12 bits of header space for experiments and future use
* makes the Internet fun again


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