From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x834.google.com (mail-qt1-x834.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::834]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 155043B29E for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 11:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x834.google.com with SMTP id j6so6994897qtq.1 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 08:11:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=herbertland-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=O0r9zmJdJ7wINBebVo7yhlBQvoFULB9bGV1CBTxNAQM=; b=vM3vw5w12bY6Ksil5eDDWwNdXjGC5hNsqJhffluUv9otOJFLArcpoTwEH/GJL6IrnG HObbFNKQvrdfFDG+mZ4RMf0+b0AUrZ1mzeviyUN80j8b/RQdr+nNAP74/2343UKizqwB 8K2mVlp7Y8WV9zFSUCDX/z49SRIRaf064CD36A3i0KUB1JExJTmGs9+MzPkydmhAkxtb D2QG3NUtOTgf0W1Uawyk1UU+dZ9g9R0x2UrICgdjz6nU59pnXLLjf+eOmchkoQo7TJDj VdDd5hY3W7InTPH43hYaRdci1rqTj1enuXYL4eKpgvaUr5zGsClQI5vbVm/NU72FCcYO KJZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=O0r9zmJdJ7wINBebVo7yhlBQvoFULB9bGV1CBTxNAQM=; b=kp0a5X5PH7g3JFogtU2YrZ3SEB8iq7iNIGkitzCX41Mz/mJcZwvN34Gn4sgRGEF5Pr i8Btr0TdaRzcKVqFeLXcj+QRb9AoLTPiOZ/V/r1Oa69vNhc7vkVeEAmfnbXCOjq5x96q XTpTg2nBhhABUWm/j/aYDQndQh+wSFqBRD81N9SiOm2/wtE+5mo2dn2ZLTmECUTgyZ0c MxV6QptghYZdKtDmGVSabdjftqisPszjFvt+0F4QOdxkPCyxuel3yUbfvqO7hAhuXfKF 8F1BYJkJph2QTiCGMokojYueU6E22zR+7povAp/TWWc5iYA834ImwhDt4DxH3GbQUsQf zX9g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWVfZznTYAXoIb+zp4CVIbvz5s8z8uzUqo385TzobYTz3b9zuR7 DmuqDJiz3gK7t5eFbw2moTBRLX2zevznQio4MVR7BQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwb5RudTTPwA38BoHp+Fm6pCghfJ3mXrPsLy9NTsih4ejk1ldmPrhFJ3gJUFH5yDPZzGBut1ez24XZs0ECXufY= X-Received: by 2002:aed:3e57:: with SMTP id m23mr10312089qtf.246.1557501070431; Fri, 10 May 2019 08:11:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4C8193B9-586C-4ED9-B01E-6BA37071600A@fugue.com> In-Reply-To: <4C8193B9-586C-4ED9-B01E-6BA37071600A@fugue.com> From: Tom Herbert Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 08:10:57 -0700 Message-ID: To: Ted Lemon Cc: Joe Touch , Magnus Westerlund , IETF Discussion Mailing List , Dave Taht , ECN-Sane , The IESG , tsvwg IETF list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000a8b64058889fab1" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 11 May 2019 08:02:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] [tsvwg] travel funds for ietf for the next SCE talk? X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 15:11:11 -0000 --0000000000000a8b64058889fab1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 10, 2019, 7:00 AM Ted Lemon wrote: > On May 10, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Joe Touch wrote: > > The only people who get a fully free ride that I know of are the IEEE > Comsoc Board. > > > Hm. I=E2=80=99ve never paid to attend IETF. Granted, this is not becaus= e IETF > comped me, but because I was fortunate enough to have an employer who cou= ld > afford to send me at no cost to me. > Ted, I have paid to attend IETF. It is expensive. In fact, for Prague IETF registration alone plus VAT cost twice as much as the airfare to get there from US! I was only able to justify the trip only because we ran Netdev conference at the same location a week before. > > This model unfortunately doesn=E2=80=99t work for open source developers = who are > not on the payroll of a company with deep pockets. > Yes, and I hope this is considered a bad thing lest IETF becomes an elitist organization with only a handful of bigger players running the show. Maybe there should be a "non-sponsored" registration tier with a discount to help make it affordable for the little guys. Tom > --0000000000000a8b64058889fab1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, May 10, 2019, 7:00 AM Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
On May 10, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.= com> wrote:
The only =C2=A0people who get a fu= lly free ride that I know of are the IEEE Comsoc Board.=C2=A0

Hm.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve never paid= to attend IETF.=C2=A0 Granted, this is not because IETF comped me, but bec= ause I was fortunate enough to have an employer who could afford to send me= at no cost to me.
Ted,

I have paid to attend IETF. It is expensive. In fact, for Prague IET= F registration alone plus VAT cost twice as much as the airfare to get ther= e from US! I was only able to justify the trip only because we ran Netdev c= onference at the same location a week before.

This model un= fortunately doesn=E2=80=99t work for open source developers who are not on = the payroll of a company with deep pockets.
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Yes, and I hope this is = considered a bad thing lest IETF becomes an elitist organization with only = a handful of bigger players running the show.

Maybe there should be a "non-sponsored" reg= istration tier with a discount to help make it affordable for the little gu= ys.

Tom


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