From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-it1-x130.google.com (mail-it1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 836343B2A4; Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-it1-x130.google.com with SMTP id 188so1485330itb.0; Sun, 17 Mar 2019 10:37:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AsxW0ZriC5f0bLey1bnM24Y4wnYkp9xIVMsQMwXxX+U=; b=TXPs2rgRns+StykYnqVYnyWSPbhwsQHPUhrfE1GUJ5pYAg5O84dl5jjkvnljF6bHvd ++ESDrrWUrXuJaxwbl85fthx097ScG4Zxaxxu6QBnsWxOQJiOZOjMdO+e8DPCh7Pvnm1 n1nPYIhvxCZE/Dgr+y65q+ZdkEc8uYaxoOkXnYpKUzbxJIVOFjFEdxnwFR26ez5ZRhXG 9Gd9B9iWjiFAoj+384Qlc2M/RQLZa7Mgwswi4MVcVWimxq19uO4KrU0XiFwov4WAG7Gr MmpYSf2axAh8ChRAOYhylZbFZITjqiTKkJw9+VWbW1YwWxbQjFiK/MR/2Nag9AfpkBe9 6VTQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AsxW0ZriC5f0bLey1bnM24Y4wnYkp9xIVMsQMwXxX+U=; b=Fp11s78ibrmnNGhbJI90L2/ICeOmYETI77beM9Bvm53g3L/cOp6FS3JR+85Ltib7JS UagrR/8Ib4bnOvwGr4him3vVGo84GFDuyAo6UQJn94p3mZ+2TWB4nRt64rKauZl3VAEb /4Bznsu91OOHxQLff0ML3e2QI00J3ROuQ4WQBLaP/FUx1ay8M5izAoUyeiVLOJ/Oj0r8 xBiY+7QFdvUvKHxnZOTERNZ79bQ5goKf9MlIj59+XUtdi/JDSLNAHC/55/KggofBs7FH 4AUzsMNTJQOFeD0VyiDxbvIAzsYWnvYDFkis8qkW/YhoVwrdatT/4RZEgg37owmNphlm BeEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVpJqguUsJE/0O8E9wzcEM+rEh2JnXG18rwLWUPx+k3EIOe7HO+ 2Hdhjn9fhG+z4NhTUx6rcf1xwcAKahRqnAWHe15YYw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyAxUMiu/nIYNhSzWe2a7pxTmBPtkmUEa2lHXNCvM0pPGDYKhc3ErgpTuwL/qQC9sVVUOW6R0JFhsRzbzQX5XI= X-Received: by 2002:a24:eb0e:: with SMTP id h14mr8295008itj.100.1552844258961; Sun, 17 Mar 2019 10:37:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1E80578D-A589-4CA0-9015-B03B63042355@gmx.de> <27FA673A-2C4C-4652-943F-33FAA1CF1E83@gmx.de> <1552669283.555112988@apps.rackspace.com> <7029DA80-8B83-4775-8261-A4ADD2CF34C7@akamai.com> In-Reply-To: From: Loganaden Velvindron Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 21:37:27 +0400 Message-ID: To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: "Holland, Jake" , "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] [Bloat] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104 X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 17:37:39 -0000 On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 6:06 PM Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, Holland, Jake wrote: > > > Granted, it still remains to be seen whether SCE in practice can match > > the results of L4S, and L4S was here first. But it seems to me L4S comes > > with some problems that have not yet been examined, and that are nicely > > dodged by a SCE-based approach. > > I'm actually not that interested in an academic competition about what > solution gives the ultimate "best" outcome in simulation or in a lab. > > I am interested in good enough solutions that are actually deployable and > will get deployed, and doesn't have any pathological behaviour when it > comes to legacy traffic. > > Right now the Internet is full of deep FIFOs and they're not going away, > and they're not getting FQ_CODEL or CAKE. > > CAKE/FQ_CODEL is nice, but it's not being deployed at the typical > congestion points we have in real life. These devices would have a much > easier time getting PIE or even RED, if it was just implemented. > is there an open source implementation of PIE which is close to what is used by the DOCSIS modems ? > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > _______________________________________________ > Ecn-sane mailing list > Ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/ecn-sane