From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x12a.google.com (mail-lf1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50E133B2A4 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id g41so9533273lfv.1 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 04:38:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=LBLmynvQF3xpHWlHdGOdQ76bnHkdNgK6YUz42qeQHCE=; b=qcBRAIsLMMUHKCehOuTU9EwemOyhfMe/8ejAUIpNiyvXQVojV+ALFVfwtV4IkZiGjp Yw3wMR1m4f18ZCrqKFHTchGgds8U8CoW5rdhBabNnJqSkAPD1W6txJaxWtAERTSOK61D HNQESsQWMUgiS52B8uZpNTzJ4E59vNukkXMyacNHy2xx0xMML4imoqhXnMUuiUsj3l7W vZBkUPvxWptVxqVIIJCVjnwTXtX8qV115twwRKxMyKmrYnUf5zUm69nBQPCT4jenNPEF h1DvUowALwlJfWhN9zKkN0SNpWgklqXuTQ2mHMj0wIYTN5PJytNy5zYr5FKBbcvM5S9J 8v8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=LBLmynvQF3xpHWlHdGOdQ76bnHkdNgK6YUz42qeQHCE=; b=Ihdr97mcDdAcPgdf/vxK6+bhMd1F4LMrUMKbyahNPJ6lGHLmVHR/VNrsHnNAs9H9QL Cf2mqdqphlN23i8hDhDGtegnYl15Ojo4VqC0kn3ddGeuM1c8QQiAEdnB9k32ePdQ7hcx dwMrwWZ5mqPoSL6ckcbUA38LHmbTyFONa1/We2rb/648Q7DVM+LRCRccrGATDTA7tjll NJ7e44SaeTXdaxhQoiatSUM/F8uSus6RuDG3qScrT8UNCiY4RLYgpDoCjs+PkbTZ2p4D VTjtQ1Hef9ckgedlE8vMHadjXzy3/v0fdTddsYHHksQ8ldORqOepd/IuPytQuxl5CXv5 LNVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532iA1lTAruaMs0Pnkq0e109jEd4Q3ulxPB+odVtMxonCHOT2Zm6 4nusjli0SB38GfSxfJaqppAH3GT+LgE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJymrNfSHEcyXorGU30evhGXGwA+SuV3nfHDLlnpRitS3qVSqXa2yKvAPz6dZPi8XZEu45E+tg== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:1505:: with SMTP id s5mr5635785ljd.359.1632915498757; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 04:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (176-93-88-52.bb.dnainternet.fi. [176.93.88.52]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y1sm214196lfe.292.2021.09.29.04.38.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 29 Sep 2021 04:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:38:17 +0300 Cc: "David P. Reed" , "Mohit P. Tahiliani" , ECN-Sane , Asad Sajjad Ahmed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1632867355.4986972@apps.rackspace.com> To: Vint Cerf X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] paper idea: praising smaller packets X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:38:21 -0000 > On 29 Sep, 2021, at 1:55 pm, Vint Cerf wrote: >=20 > fully congested: zero throughput, maximum (infinite) delay.... =E2=80=A6and hence minimum network power. Clearly an undesirable condition. - Jonathan Morton=