From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ua1-x943.google.com (mail-ua1-x943.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::943]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4183E3CB47 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ua1-x943.google.com with SMTP id j8so15716534uan.6 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:02:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=erhclM+IePM0iApJXpacaB+i8zDiE4d/BM88mB8CEnc=; b=eCWokX56+Sbja4aW4TooWGL2sevozC8LygDbNSggLIkgvwfl72842Miee+114NeBJo NvG9kuuqCvaZua26ZR7B8oTrnDTIffhCGlYDD24/jzWjbHbTynQCIxfj1xGgAq3HuZ8j R9SyVbhKe52+9cXVV0K7UEVcBSs20gwQ9NZZL5eA2rqDbUf17hBfbPrzKqp/UwMRfrRv BMqKQtNlCXWWUHt+RUjWWzJnss7FAq+J6H7BYD7Y8/9NjX3TDjIsvZlIyPuRyBg7aRN7 qGeXjepKYXLNdwjjeGK9D9NgMDQgtb5yD2oPiV0PsaphtWRaF3XUMLzqSTm6jF++sXPs TRaA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=erhclM+IePM0iApJXpacaB+i8zDiE4d/BM88mB8CEnc=; b=UOQMg69qeSmL+BkZFJX+PqYZIX6D96ZSxuzNUNOXhe0Td6+XMCPJxSPL9QrGSuh1gR aph3LJy7kBIerD7+maK+RywvQZNx20og/YNWIsBpBejI3joCrUPVji0N7vHyNpHhUkPZ u4iRNn+jgqEK5+iBPESXRVEp4+pEEcPR739CDegQ1Uss4dNCNnhiSY/bjAhtWJ3Fl8H6 HgxoVvA5ZYRIFqevrTNjqzXn4PQIiuwMl7Kkgs/GxOLBJ41jC7IXUSxa1paEglPfmrWC bpr/Uz2yZlZKcPmUurvAjPeBWRhzs8h7FFtxE4HJRvep7zMzhnPB94I/HEGfXnpfh1Mx Z8zg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU72eTVivlEXF67Qb7O5nUc2GmFA3hlCxIc1f6xWhbSGDYMmT/1 veK3fn1D0AZo0YNS38LCepmLTg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxBxzGaTCjNgmFM5Gc9HpKPy/m/iLgCjokwNtbSMLJUmUYbvmUlEy0bpL3E7jeZPga8NeDqgg== X-Received: by 2002:ab0:6390:: with SMTP id y16mr43526445uao.62.1563818522698; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yoda-3.lan (173-246-8-242.qc.cable.ebox.net. [173.246.8.242]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 10sm15156572vkl.33.2019.07.22.11.02.01 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: <87sgqy3sqh.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:02:00 -0400 Cc: Jonathan Morton , Mikael Abrahamsson , Jonathan Foulkes , "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net" , Dave Taht , "tsvwg@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <87sgqy3sqh.fsf@toke.dk> To: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] is FQ actually widely deployed? X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:02:03 -0000 > On Jul 22, 2019, at 1:05 PM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen = wrote: >=20 > Jonathan Morton writes: >=20 >>> On 22 Jul, 2019, at 10:14 am, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Do we have numbers on how much FQ is actually out there? If we = don't, >>> can we measure it? Anyone know of devices shipping or being designed >>> that does FQ of some kind? >>=20 >> There's also a large French ISP which has done fq_codel on its last >> mile for quite some time. >=20 > I am aware of at least two Danish and one Norwegian ISP that have > deployed FQ-CoDel-based shapers either as their customer shapers in = the > backend or on CPEs. In Czech, I=E2=80=99m aware at least of two WISPs that use it. It=E2=80=99= s a good bet there are more, as a company has popped up specifically targeting WISPs which uses passive monitoring and fq_codel to measure and improve customer qoe. It doesn=E2=80=99t take too much searching to find them.=