From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com (mail-wr1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D18083B29E for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 08:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id b9so8948107wrt.8 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 05:33:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ro75Inntq2Qp/CPKAbGmsZa7Z4c6chUBgRlq7/lYWi4=; b=d60dsjn4vXUcg0Pnp4RlHJyGNVuOBkWBZvcgjvoJlkIyWlxeQNAuDxrXo8K8uIVbTS OqKHPTuwdpDr/5H7B9/4vcDB0IRuVRAk1/w8CaL5+4HEafsMAr367cMkYFrdmbKPPkA2 La7mZ1O4tzAkPDmRl4GKryZ6R2jYhbhjgVEL1+nP9JlMgRw6TNWkQd+//43fdxUeKopU axBGq4jpoPil0REYmfRYi9p6zfV49Uy1zg1ExftjYkJ6cVs+rLIGzUBUa0aOVq1x5WcX GND1DLbfiF5au+TjYV7b6nGJYNX2dQPrJKAQXp9vlCgYvom4F9Q2yvavA/Wqywh3T2oJ Lysw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:subject:from:to:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ro75Inntq2Qp/CPKAbGmsZa7Z4c6chUBgRlq7/lYWi4=; b=P1+wg5SyexY5KBtHu5N2g6ZdblFrmjUk3RLmNe4klwo873fZkc71ed80WYlaWg/Aa9 sR2vjc1vcUk8RD80kp0ziwnMiYhCBs/ZKLGCSepb8vP+N+i+mwtd1j6iB8gX3ICAvIrz dihJxxjhRd8rTGhFmGAngd2vfhwZOP1T1E+uHjMdFq7A6zyq1wuTeYT404UrFbnxHWS8 W/JjntG3xxrvaGmffv0ncqTJ+8Km/tuiz8nepN02+x9XRyueOxxhTqpjF4CoYdxtZCrU 6uYTpXIcjWhL4GnQtSZOLNMwoJYLvvs630z9OOAh1dx0d2QBtTMdl3uvmpoorl48PNK6 GBQA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533Ib9CDeIGWjp8re9MRJxDLRYU0gyq8IOUPhSplONF5kwms4Tpj r21Kng940XyWWUBu6VHMLHHS8vQ1K2y6iA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz2wu3astU/NP4gorybxYd7sKJQOzDxUGeShwArLgBbxUpQjytu1+2E0KHtqTT2DLFgRYvnnw== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4587:: with SMTP id p7mr4324537wrq.205.1616157220800; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.72.0.88] (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n4sm5974853wmq.40.2021.03.19.05.33.40 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 19 Mar 2021 05:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Pete Heist To: ECN-Sane Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:33:38 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.38.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Ecn-sane] SCE deployment for experiments and internal use X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:33:42 -0000 It's been discussed a couple times that it's possible to deploy SCE transports and middleboxes without IETF approval, providing that they adhere to the guidelines in the draft. Namely, DSCP must be used, and no SCE marking is allowed for traffic that may end up on the open Internet. That is pretty limiting, and restricts usage to local experiments or traffic within participating ASs, but perhaps it would still be useful to gather some experimental data. This can already be done today by just building the SCE kernel with the right options enabled (https://github.com/chromi/sce), but does anyone think there's a benefit to making it easier by making packages for some platform? I'm not sure yet who would have the time to prepare these packages, I'm just floating the idea first. It may be more attractive to spend the time on if there were an experiment planned, or a platform or location where it's likely to get used... Pete