From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 459653CB36; Thu, 21 Mar 2019 04:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id E94D7B0; Thu, 21 Mar 2019 09:31:03 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1553157063; bh=Cs5FxPJ6dQVS+0X6hs3Nz5gqUmYdlXLYfuGR8a5GbUY=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=4izIRbwrKCqRLvvZVpy6FzOZ9+qiLhLfuSmD66u6RD4Kmw+eyeqCpxf8La5yuRFdd OZ3nVkohWJgFI/8B81t/ZXduDTceDC7O6PhPOlclBrREo/nfspsl4mYTs3g1N0tddt XxiwOcob9Pp+mXjNgbANw/yk1joS1GYKVY17mHeY= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7424AF; Thu, 21 Mar 2019 09:31:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 09:31:03 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Jonathan Morton cc: "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <27FA673A-2C4C-4652-943F-33FAA1CF1E83@gmx.de> <1552669283.555112988@apps.rackspace.com> <7029DA80-8B83-4775-8261-A4ADD2CF34C7@akamai.com> <1552846034.909628287@apps.rackspace.com> <5458c216-07b9-5b06-a381-326de49b53e0@bobbriscoe.net> <5C9296E1.4010703@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <06379263-6C0E-4EC1-9537-DE4C5F61846C@gmail.com> <5AAAE942-12C9-4D5F-B04A-36A4A61C3501@akamai.com> <49EAFC16-1DD0-48B0-AF6E-19DD3EB45CAA@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] [Bloat] [tsvwg] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104 X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 08:31:05 -0000 On Thu, 21 Mar 2019, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > I might not agree with how these people decide networks should be built, > but that's unfortunately the way things look in a lot of cases. Telling > them to just do "FQ, how hard can it be?". Typically, the answer is > "hard, for a multitude of reasons". Btw, in http://1ukcym66nom10cmylunctf84-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/TR-156_Issue-2-1.pdf 5.2.x you can see how scheduling is done. If you'd like something like that changed then anything new needs to go into documents like these in order to get further deplyment. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se