From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D16AF3CB37; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 15:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id A73FAB0; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:12:18 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1553368338; bh=GlE5Q4My/f4LPK3gyGRhTNVAe1lgtax9gcxU7UmdtV4=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=xCxZ0p0aba6Xxqjh1WbgdlBFzmaa6BOUYz4Se+AYtI2N4zQZ76h+40ZMhjxRRZQdL wOzL4v1hAlylZRwYjVYdO8c47zLbIE1wdNw0XbGxWPiV+CTtIZHG0PKj4ifayAAoYM 0CiGv9vDT2l6EvjoGleu/VdLvQC5gOjrtAUIpOW4= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55C8AF; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:12:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:12:18 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Jonathan Morton cc: "Holland, Jake" , "ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat In-Reply-To: <06B1A5EA-BBA1-4F0A-B072-E7CFACCA4E91@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <46D9B2E8-0F19-48FF-81B8-D9F4F313C8E9@akamai.com> <06B1A5EA-BBA1-4F0A-B072-E7CFACCA4E91@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Ecn-sane] can we setup a "how to get this into existing networks" get-together in Prague coming week? X-BeenThere: ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of explicit congestion notification's impact on the Internet List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:12:20 -0000 On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, Jonathan Morton wrote: > Heated agreement from over here, despite my preference for flow > isolation. Plain old AQM can be orders of magnitude better than a dumb > FIFO. In my testing, FIFO with RED was already huge improvement over just plain FIFO. Configuring 1GE shaping with FIFO yielded 100ms buffering just by naive configuration, adding one line of random-detect config brought this down to 10-15ms without any loss of actual throughput. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se